Father Luke
Founding member
You say that like it's a bad thing. ;)
Look. Check out this guy: Krinski
This fellow was a topic of discussion around
here for a while.
Honest question:
What do you think of him,
and of his work?
Electronica backing to a Bukowski poem.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. ;)
Look. Check out this guy: Krinski
This fellow was a topic of discussion around
here for a while.
Honest question:
What do you think of him,
and of his work?
looks like i missed a good one here. if you were women and i was a certain kind of man, i'd make that "reeoow" sound to insinuate a cat fight. but no one ever does that when men have these exchanges, and i won't start. that wouldn't be ladylike, now would it? fuck no.
ROC
It is what it is
I say again... Taking a dead poets poetry and putting a beat to it doesn't fall into any definition of art I'm comfortable with.
But hell, that should not stop you noodling around with the form... as long as you get whatever permission you need.
I'm with you there... but I now feel very old.
Don't get me wrong... I don't blame you.
Rather, I blame the fact that I'm old.
Yeah, but it was still so bad that it made me squirm. But hell, that should not stop you noodling around with the form... as long as you get whatever permission you need. ;)
I'm on it.
good point.
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
I'm away for a half a day and it descends to this. Like leaving the kids at home while I go by graham crackers and coming home to find they have painted the dog green.
mjp is right that electronica is nothing new. I bought my first electronic/computer generated LP in college, circa 1967. It was kind of interesting then because it really was new, but nothing too exciting.
As to using a famous dead poet's words in your music: all I know is I get mad when I hear Hendrix recordings being used to sell luxury cars and this is kind of the same thing although no money is involved. I would much rather hear a young living poet like, say, John Dorsey, reading over some innovated music and he knows it's being done and is okay with it. Bukowski didn't okay this project and I'm sure his estate didn't give perimission. Time to move on and try something else.
mjp is right that electronica is nothing new. I bought my first electronic/computer generated LP in college, circa 1967. It was kind of interesting then because it really was new, but nothing too exciting.
As to using a famous dead poet's words in your music: all I know is I get mad when I hear Hendrix recordings being used to sell luxury cars and this is kind of the same thing although no money is involved. I would much rather hear a young living poet like, say, John Dorsey, reading over some innovated music and he knows it's being done and is okay with it. Bukowski didn't okay this project and I'm sure his estate didn't give perimission. Time to move on and try something else.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is the difference between this (which I despise, adding beats and noodling to a dead jazz artist who can't say anything about it. sucking the soul from it without remorse. taking away from any original intention.), and (which I'm fine with, can even enjoy. two far removed generations coming together and creating something of some artistic value).
my last rant on this subject.
YAY!!!
my last rant on this subject.
YAY!!!
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
So in a very very nice ladylike way ( with all due respect to esart ) you are calling us bitches.
I say us because I agree with Hooch and R O C and the rest. But I made the mistake of listening to a bit of the slackers recording the other day. Vodka helped to get the buzzing out of my head.
I like a good laugh too.
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
Jeez, I sound very cranky here. I must have been in a sour mood this morning. My apologies. I didn't intend to get mean-spirited or to pile on.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
Don't worry about it. This has turned into a venting thread. I think you make a great point about Hendrix music on car ads.
ROC
It is what it is
Absolutely.
But neither is poetry.
It's doing something well that counts.
Now if your kids painted the dog green in your absence, I would call that (and the look on your face when you got home) ART
:D
nope, i sure aint. but if we were all women some guy would inevitably call us a bunch of catty bitches -- peeing on each others cat boxes and such.
i don't agree or disagree with anyone on this thread, hence the off-topic (and not all that funny) comment.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
We always go for the tough ones. The easy ones pose no challenge and well we don't need to go into all that.
Speaking of that...there is no challenge in playing music behind pre recorded old poems. Now this all makes even more sense.
;)
Speaking of that...there is no challenge in playing music behind pre recorded old poems. Now this all makes even more sense.
;)
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
But I do feel bad about it. You see, I started that first post just wanting to say "now now, kid's, don't fight" and ended it taking a cheap shot at the musician who backed Buk's poem with his electronica. I hate myself when I am gratuitously mean. It doesn't happen often, but once in a while it comes out, this general meaness, and I feel lousy for it. Apologizing helped a little, but still I don't like having gone there. I have a rule that I'm always breaking, that I won't comment on people, just ideas, events -- and this is why I have that rule.
Father Luke
Founding member
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Black Swan
Abord the Yorikke!
I am listening to a Paul Oakenfold and Bjork combo.
Sounds great, but have not yet found a Buk poem to slam over it.
Sounds great, but have not yet found a Buk poem to slam over it.
jordan
lothario speedwagon
i get annoyed when people show up and say "hey look at this thing!" as their first post. i kind of did that myself, although i at least took the time to introduce myself as well, which isn't AS bad... but still, if this guy at least took the time to be humble upon introduction, i think he wouldn't have received such a bad reception.
i think a lot of music is based on something that "sounds cool," and bukowski reading poetry with some beats laid under it probably sounds cool to some people. i would guess that the best you could hope for, then, is for it to sound cool (and i suspect/hope that your comment about it being art was in part meant to be sarcastic). i've heard electronic music that i thought was really well-composed, but it was based on multiple layered beats, key changes, tempo changes, etc (the same thing that makes all music great, except maybe for the layered beats). bukowski reading isn't a very good beat, though, so it kind of puts a wet blanket on whatever else you're trying to do. what it does do, however, is give whatever bland techno music you're composing a gimmicky hook. kind of when like when you go see a bad punk/hardcore band and all of a sudden they play a minor threat or gorilla biscuits cover song, and the crowd is suddenly into them.
i think a lot of music is based on something that "sounds cool," and bukowski reading poetry with some beats laid under it probably sounds cool to some people. i would guess that the best you could hope for, then, is for it to sound cool (and i suspect/hope that your comment about it being art was in part meant to be sarcastic). i've heard electronic music that i thought was really well-composed, but it was based on multiple layered beats, key changes, tempo changes, etc (the same thing that makes all music great, except maybe for the layered beats). bukowski reading isn't a very good beat, though, so it kind of puts a wet blanket on whatever else you're trying to do. what it does do, however, is give whatever bland techno music you're composing a gimmicky hook. kind of when like when you go see a bad punk/hardcore band and all of a sudden they play a minor threat or gorilla biscuits cover song, and the crowd is suddenly into them.
mjp
Founding member
Is it a cheap shot if it's deserved though? I wonder.
Some things do suck. That cocksucker butchering Bluebird in Ponder's post, VALERIAN, Linsay Lohan records, The Los Angeles Lakers...they suck as a fact, regardless of how nice we want to be and say, "Oh, well, come on, art is art."
Bullshit. Some things are not art, they are just crap taking up space on earth.
I don't mean that everything that I don't like is crap. I see the value of plenty of things that I don't personally like. But I also know crap when I see it (or hear it), and I'm afraid a lot of people don't want to offend anyone so they just smile and nod and wish the artist well.
I wish I could do that, I really do. It would make my life a lot easier.
ROC
It is what it is
Father Luke
Founding member
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
All agreed. I wasn't judging my comment a cheap shot because it wasn't deserved. I was thinking more of my internal motivation. It's what's in the heart. I realized I was taking a shot because I could, simply because I could, and that's what I found disgusting in myself. Sort of the mob instinct. If others make the same criticisms, they very well may be valid -- I don't know what motivates them. Too much introspection, huh?
mjp
Founding member
Nah, I have been forced to think about the source of a lot of my anger over the past couple of years, and it's good to recognize the cause.
But I'm still angry at a lot of shit! Ha ha.
So maybe I need more introspection. Or maybe I'm just angry. If a little less so now.
I appreciate your discontent with the Track. It was not my intention to disrespect the Bukowski's work in any way.
I attempted to maintain a degree of "authenticity" through leaving Bukowski's reading in it's original form, completely unedited, yet believed the backing track accented the reading nicely.
I did not elaborate on the music because i wanted the focus to be on Bukowski, not the music that accompanied it. Thus, I was hoping the attention of the listener was on Bukowski's words and not the accompanying music...
I feel, given the response on this thread, that I may have failed in my goal for the piece... The goal being to promote Bukowski's work, not mine... In a way that I felt allowed the poem a degree of access and appeal to the average joe, which it may not have had otherwise.
And although y'all may be very familiar with Bukowski's work, and thus see this as an abuse of his name, work, and possibily a violation of his Estate (which I am sensitive too), this was not my intention.
Do you like what you've created? Yes? Then who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks. Just please don't expect everyone here to jump on the bandwagon and praise it just because it has something to do with Buk.