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  1. HumanVultures

    What are you drinking?

    Classic gin and tonic here. Definitely easing this research paper. :( Plus the wine makes me crave the smokes. I'll have to get over it soon, though. Nothing's like a deep, purple Malbec.
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    28 hours, huh? You'll be past counting hours soon. Each time I quit, it gets progressively more difficult. I have a feeling that my luck is proportional to my willpower. But they hurt so good! So... good will/luck to you too. Yeah, it's been a weird ride to read all of these things...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Indeed they are. I've been trying to quit... and supposedly these are the "anti-smoke" ashtrays... but honestly, they make me laugh more than they convince me to stop. In the end, the horrible economy and cigarette taxes are the most convincing methods. Post Office is hilarious...
  4. HumanVultures

    i'm married.

    You know... we all work too much. From nine to five. Then we go home to work on each other when alone we work on ourselves. Vicious circle of work. Sometimes it's about changing the way we look at it all. You know the old saying. Half the work in sustaining love is keeping it fun.
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    i'm married.

    Unless you cheat while drunk :eek: You would probably miss your wife more than the sauce. At least where you are now, you can have both.
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Thanks! Currently reading Post Office. As his first novel, how do you think it compares to his other works? Some of you previously asked questions about the correspondence between Frye and Bukowski. As stated in the biographies, the Wheeler Ranch did burn down (however, there was no drug...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    I would agree to that... I also think bitterness is a complex emotion. There seems to be a lack of love in his writing about Barbara, including the bio descriptions of their relationship (you know, the kind he had for the other women in his life). Did he love her? In some form or another...
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    who is the gloomy lady?

    Thanks. Not sure about B., but it's not uncommon to create composite characters for poems. She may be several women in one- but that doesn't seem like his style, so far as I've read.
  9. HumanVultures

    The Birds - Gallows, 1959

    Indeed, that makes more sense than ripping it apart.
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    who is the gloomy lady?

    There's a poem entitled gloomy lady in Love is a Dog from Hell. It reminds me of Frye (good old grandma, bringing me all sorts of troubled thoughts). It could, however, be about another woman- it was published between 1974-77, which is quite some time after the divorce. Certain little lines...
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    The Birds - Gallows, 1959

    I agree with you. whether or not Jane was really his first wife isn't proof positive- he may be referring to her figuratively. It was also his first consummated relationship (aside from the prostitute, reportedly- which isn't much of a relationship), right? The difficulty with this poem is...
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    Bukowski's physical depiction

    "Memory is a field full of psychological ruins." -Gaston Bachelard "flesh covers the bone and the flesh searches for more than flesh." -Bukowski, from alone with everybody
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    How great it is to have you two here. By a professors' suggestion, I was about to go digging around the UCSB archives. She liked sending hand crafted post cards and christmas cards. I'm betting the ones she sent to B. look nearly identical to the ones we have at home (and for the most part...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    "...you can take your rich aunts and uncles and grandfathers and fathers and all their lousy oil and their seven lakes and their wild turkey and buffalo and the whole state of Texas, meaning, your crow-blasts and your Saturday night boardwalks, and your 2-bit library and your crooked councilmen...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    I was merely answering a question, honestly, about why I couldn't make the corrections yet. I mentioned it once- and got a couple of speculations and questions as to why my family would be upset- so I brought it up again. It certainly wasn't supposed to be an act of abuse. AGAIN: I do not...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Thanks to cirerita and socratease for the sources. I've just been collecting massive volumes of information and organizing, and brainstorming... without much attn. to detail as of yet. Very helpful. Also, thanks to mjp and others for providing contact to Sounes. One less thing on the...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Whad'ya know, I just looked over it. Can't believe I missed that one. In my edition, both pics say (courtesy of Leah Belle Wilson). She's my great, great aunt- also liked to paint. She gifted me one of her water colors a while back. I've only met her once, but it makes sense that she has...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Soune's biography does seem to have the most detailed, and accurate, account of her so far. It just misses the mark in a couple of places... whether he is approachable or correctable in the end, I suppose... doesn't necessarily matter. As many of you have reported, he doesn't take well to...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Also, In Soune's "Bukowski in Pictures," there are pics of her and B. together.
  20. HumanVultures

    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Yep. I have a couple I could scan, but I'd have to make the trip home. I live a few hours from the base.
  21. HumanVultures

    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    I'd like to go all in, but for now I've got to check. And, in response to some other comments... I really have no idea whether or not she was a genius or a great poet. Your guess is as good as mine. She was kind of a Maverick, though (a word I've come to hate ever since Palin said it a...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Hah. Well, what I meant was that... we are not a big family (Those who could have promised more progeny died- I don't even have first cousins), so there really aren't a bunch of personalities or opinions to satisfy. Amongst ourselves, we aren't fighting about what the truth is, but about what...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    None of us are in disagreement about the events. I'm afraid that's not the issue. Regardless, thanks for the advice. We're a small, tight knit bunch and most of us are dead. There really aren't a whole lot of available opposing accounts- and I don't even have an acquaintance with anyone who...
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    Barbara Fry wrote poetry too

    Thanks, Purple. I believe the truth will come in time (a relatively short time), and I believe I can do so in a manner that doesn't alienate the people I care for. It would be utterly selfish of me to act now, against everyone's wishes, when I've only begun to talk with them about this. But...
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