Hollywood characters - full list

[roni]

BUK - THE MASTER OF NAMEDROPPING + INVENTOR OF NAMES !!!

Well, our dear and very own Bukfan had given a great list of Hollywood-names before.

Now I've re-read that novel and started to write down an even more complete list of names, including all unimportant ones, places, book-/film-titles, etc.
Many of them, I couldn't solve, so I give this to you to work out the rest.
At the end, we might have the full complete entire list of names mentioned in that fine novel. (Well, some of the more tricky persons might never uncover, but let's just start.)

BEWARE ! - This is an awfull long list!
I've tried to remember to spot Every little grain while reading (still missed some, I guess).



Here's the key to the list:

status:
IP = Important Person (in THAT novel - not in general)
mc = minor character (dito)
o = other (places, book-/movie-titles, etc)

page:
first appearence in ecco sc-edition 2002

[real] = that's the real name of the person, place, title
[fantasy] = that's a totally made up thing


and attached:
the LIST.

 

[Black Swan]

Good job Roni.

 

[Bukfan]

Well done, Roni! That'll come in useful next time I read Hollywood...

 

[Purple Stickpin]

Excellent, roni.

I'm wondering if the "famous actor with perpetual tan" is George Hamilton. That's the first and obvious name that comes to mind to me.

Anyone know?

 

[strangegirl]

Thanks Roni that is a great effort of a list. Cheers to you.
My first inclusion would be to say, I think that Jonathan Winters is real.

 

[Ponder]

Found some names here: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Hollywood_(book)
I haven't checked them.

 

[mjp]

Here's a list of just the names Roni was unsure of. I filled in the ones I knew without referencing the book:

Paul Renoir IP 9 [The famous painter's grandson]
Popppy [mc] 11 ... ?
Danny Server [mc] 13 ... ?
Harold Pheasant [mc] 14 ... ?
The Heart's Song o 25 ... ?
Jonathan Winters [mc] 25 [Real]
Jean-Paul Sanrah [mc] 28 ... ?
Henri-Leon Sanrah [mc] 29 ... ?
Central Station Arson o 38 [fantasy]
Krumph [mc] 38 ... ?
Flynn [mc] 38 ... ?
Vin Marbad [mc] 41 Applebaum ???
Darby Evans [mc] 44 Blake Edwards ?
The Bunny That Hopped ..o 44 ... ?
Waffles with Lulu o 44 ... ?
Terror in the Zoo o 44 ... ?
22nd Century Housing o 46 [Century 21 realtors]
Dennis Body [mc] 49 ... ? (Baldy???)
Rainbow Realty o 50 [Real - if this was in Topanga (where he saw the Manson house)]
Lila Gant [mc] 50 ... ?
Darlene [mc] 51 ... ?
Willy [mc] 52 ... ?
Double Quartet [mc] 52 ... ?
"one fellow" [mc] 65 ... ?
one-ball-director [mc] 66 ... ?
Giselle [mc] 66 ... ?
Back from Hades o 72 ... ?
Pat Sellers [mc] 72 ... ? [actually, there's a Pat Sellers who did movie-sounds from the 90s on]
Harry [mc] 76 ... ?
Lenny Fidelo [mc] 101 ... ?
Lippy Leo Durocher [mc] 105 [Leo Durocher was a famous baseball manager, nicknamed "Leo the Lip"]
Tim Ruddy [mc] 106 Tom Luddy ?
Lance Edwards IP 106 ... ?
Chateau Marmont o 106 ... ?
"famous actor with perpetual tan" [mc] 109 [I would agree this is George Hamilton]
Hal Edleman [mc] 122 ... ?
Sorenson [mc] 122 ... ?
Neeli Zutnick [mc] 128 ... ?
Rose [mc] 128 ... ?
Fletcher Jaystone [mc] 135 ... ?
Cleo [mc] 146 ... ?
Doug [mc] 146 ... ?
Lemon Duck o 154 [real] ?
Helga Henderson [mc] 157 ... ?
Thommy Henderson [mc] 157 ... ?
Marsh Edwards [mc] 162 ... ?
Cary Grant Pavillion o 177 [real place at Hollywood Park]
"Italian group" (investor) o 180 ... ?
Sesteenov [mc] 182 Errol Morris ?
Illiantovitch [mc] 183 ... ?
David [mc] 189 ... ?
William [mc] 189 ... ?
woman's mag o 191 ... ?
"fat fellow" [mc] 195 ... ?
Lola [mc] 195 ... ?
Andre Wells [mc] 195 ... ?
Tully Sorenson [mc] 207 [Wasn't she the composite character publisher in Barfly?]
Nadine [mc] 207 ... ?
Rich [mc] 208 ... ?
"an actor I really liked" [mc] 211 ... ?
"his wife" [mc] 211 ... ?
shopping mall with theatre o 219 ... ?
"one of the men" [mc] 220 ... ?
lady interviewer from station [mc] 220 ... ?
"2 girls" [mc] 222 ... / ... ?
other theatre next door o 222 ... ?
Copperfield's o 225 [real] ?
'Tell and Talk' column o 228 [real] ?
Babs Danish [mc] 230 ... ?
Tip Danish [mc] 230 ... ?
Sam [mc] 232 ... ?
Wexler [mc] 235 ... ?
Selby [mc] 235 ... ?
Ed [mc] 239 [Ed McMahon (since he was mentioned with Johnny Carson)]

 

[roni]

thank you all for your nice words of encouragement.
also for the hints.
thanks mjp for yours above.

i think this becomes something, we can work with, eh?

 

[poptop]

Nice work, Roni. I loved Hollywood. Here's Buk at his most relaxed, fun and witty best. He writes like he was on top of the world, with total self-confidence and mastery of the word. What a gem. I remember when it was first hot off the press and I read it with total joy and satisfaction... I couldn't put it down.

Just a suggestion. I would reverse the names and go with Rick Talbot as Gene Siskel, and Kirby Hudson as Roger Ebert - the number of syllables line up perfectly as well as the relative sharpness and softness of the names.

Just passing through...best wishes....Poptop.

 

[roni]

Just a suggestion. I would reverse the names and go with Rick Talbot as Gene Siskel, and Kirby Hudson as Roger Ebert - the number of syllables line up perfectly as well as the relative sharpness and softness of the names.

that's a VERY good point.
Buk often did these similarities, when in search for a pseudonym.

but in this case, we have evidence for the other way.

 

[james]

very cool roni! thanks...

 

[poptop]

We know that Ebert was on the set, but this quote is not evidence that he considered himself either Talbot or Hudson in Hollywood, unless someone can post one. I consider the parallels between the real names and the pseudonyms as unmistakable if one is familiar with these famous American movie critics. The names make no sense otherwise from both a personality and literary standpoint, and I believe that Buk was smarter than that. Siskel only works as Talbot, and Ebert as Hudson and others are welcome to believe what they want. The only other possibility is that Bukowski happened to get the critics' names mixed up himself in his great novel, and if so, so what.

 

[mjp]

i think this becomes something, we can work with, eh?

Yes it does. Combined with the info from Women, we're closing in on uncovering the Rosetta Stone of Bukowski-dom.

 

[roni]

We know that Ebert was on the set, but this quote does not indicate that he considered himself either Talbot or Hudson [...] I don't buy it.

you don't need to buy it.

According to chapter 35, it was 'Rick Talbot' being at the set, not 'Kirby Hudson'.

 

[Joe Batters]

Could Lenny be Frank Stallone?

 

[roni]

I've seen this connection somewhere on a list.
But in the novel, Jack Bledsoe/Mickey Rourke states, Lenny is his bodyguard. So that wouldn't be Stallone.

 

[roni]

oh, maybe I've discouraged some cats out there with my last responses.
I didn't mean to sound super-overlooking the novel or the Hollywood/LA-scene of the 80s or anything. Nor did I mean coming up as a smartass.

so:
Please keep coming in with suggestions!

 

[Ponder]

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Hollywood_(Bukowski_novel)

 

[Burt Dixon]

Nice work on the list, Roni.

I'd like to submit that "Danny Server" is, in fact, Roger Corman (pg.13). He was the only one in Venice at the time with a studio, I believe. I grew up next door in Santa Monica, and worked at American International Pictures (AIP) cleaning up sometimes after school. The studio was nicknamed "The Lumberyard," because that's what it was before Corman took over the property. Plus, Roger was *definitely* the only one in Venice with a screening room staffed with a bartender. I vacuumed that floor, and stole Cokes from that bar refrigerator, more than a few times. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've lived here all my life and I can't figure another studio/screening room in Venice back then. It was just a short ride north from Marina Del Rey.

It's different now, of course. No "studios," but plush screening rooms are everywhere.

 

[roni]

welcome Burt and thanks for contributing.
Insider-stories are always a pleasure to read.


p.s.:
the attached list is augmented by the names given here. Have I missed one? Do we have any more by now?

[...] Tully Sorenson [mc] 207 [Wasn't she the composite character publisher in Barfly?][...]

right. But on p 207 he claims she was a real person. So the question is that real persons name/identity.

 

[skiroomalum]

Lenny is Leonard Termo. A character actor and friend of Rourkes. He played the EMT in Barfly. He died last year.

 

[roni]

updated. thanks ski.

 

[skiroomalum]

You are most welcome Roni.

 

[Ponder]

Tully Sorenson - Alice Krige

Illiantovitch - Andrei Konchalovsky ?

Looks like a Sure Bet:
http://wikiworldbook.com/global-address-book/Isabella-Bonelli
http://pinterest.com/pin/135108057541898795/

Marsh Edwards - Jack Baran?

There was an extremely tall man standing at the end of the hall.
It was Jon’s assistant director, Marsh Edwards.

Credit
Jack Baran - Associate Producer, Myron Meisel - Artistic Advisor, Robert MacDonald - Casting, Pat Orseth - Casting, Milena Canonero - Costume Designer, Jack Baran - First Assistant Director, Barbet Schroeder - Director, Eva Gardos - Editor, Yoram Globus - Executive Producer, Menahem Golan - Executive Producer, Jack Baran - Composer (Music Score), Bob Ziembicki - Production Designer, Robby Müller - Cinematographer, Tom Luddy - Producer, Fred Roos - Producer, Barbet Schroeder - Producer, Lisa Dean - Set Designer, Petur Hliddal - Sound/Sound Designer, Charles Bukowski - Screenwriter, Charles Bukowski - Book Author

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/barfly-film#ixzz2eayqVXex

 

[hank solo]

Tully Sorenson - Alice Krige

Sure, Krige played Tully in the film, but I think in Hollywood when Bukowski refers to Tully he is referring to Liza Williams.

Compare the info from chapter 41 of Hollywood with chapter 17 of Women (where Liza is Dee Dee).

 

[Ponder]

I didn't take the time to read that passage, just did, it's definitely Liza Williams.

 

[skiroomalum]

Just an aside: Milena Canonero is married to an old actor friend of mine named Marshall Bell.

 

[roni]

Sure, Krige played Tully in the film, but I think in Hollywood when Bukowski refers to Tully he is referring to Liza Williams.

good guess, but nope.
IF this has been a real person in Bukowskis life, it had to be someone from the 40s or at least very early 50s.

We 'know', that the question Tully asks in the movie: "Who are you?" was originally asked by Caresse Crosby. So obviously he has merged different persons into one here. Still it makes no sense at all to pick Liza. sorry.

Illiantovitch - Andrei Konchalovsky

great idea!
I'd suggest we add it with a small questionmark behind?

Marsh Edwards - Jack Baran?

Definitely! Thanks.

 

[hank solo]

good guess, but nope.
IF this has been a real person in Bukowskis life, it had to be someone from the 40s or at least very early 50s.

We 'know', that the question Tully asks in the movie: "Who are you?" was originally asked by Caresse Crosby. So obviously he has merged different persons into one here. Still it makes no sense at all to pick Liza. sorry.

I think you're mixing up his life and his works roni.

IF you think he lived (briefly) with a high powered executive (who shared her place in Hollywood with another high powered female) in the 40s then I'm going to disagree. Barfly was a mixture of various periods of Bukowski's life and some stuff he made up!

Yes, the Tully character in Barfly is a composite but there in the novel Hollywood he's describing Liza Williams, even their trip to Catalina. So for your Hollywood list, Liza is right.

 

[hoochmonkey9]

I'm with solo on this one.