Oh, thy starry night! ... Bukowski in the Sky with Diamonds
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mjp
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Well here it is: irrefutable scientific proof that Bukowski was indeed a human volcano! Finally!
I will add it to the timeline. Along with the Phrenology, Palmistry and tea leaf reading results.
I love science!
I would say that I love the 1960's too, but people still believe in this shit (sorry Mat) here in the 21st century, so that wouldn't make any sense. Go figger.
I will add it to the timeline. Along with the Phrenology, Palmistry and tea leaf reading results.
I love science!
I would say that I love the 1960's too, but people still believe in this shit (sorry Mat) here in the 21st century, so that wouldn't make any sense. Go figger.
mjp
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An "astrologer" could get anything they wanted to get out of it. Whatever it took to make you feel good. That's what they do.
I can replicate the "accuracy" of any astrological "reading" without even looking at a fancy chart or knowing when you were born. Anyone can. It's a con game, you see.
I can replicate the "accuracy" of any astrological "reading" without even looking at a fancy chart or knowing when you were born. Anyone can. It's a con game, you see.
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
Yes, lots of so-called astrologers use astrology as a scam, no doubt. Although I don't believe in astrology, numberology or any of the other hogwash belief systems, it would be fun to give Buk's birthday to one of the 'serious' astrologers who follow the rules of interpretation and see what he comes up with. Just the birthday without Buk's name attached, of course. All in good fun, nothing more. I don't expect much to come of it though since you can always find something that fits in any horoscope regardless of birthdays, signs etc., so it's probably a waste of time anyway...
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mjp
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What would be interesting is to give it to three or four of them and see how they differ. The similarities would all be generalizations.
I know someone who is serious about this stuff and I think he may have actually done Bukowski's before as well. I'll try to remember to ask him next time I see him.
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Roni, have you ever tried to dig up a birth record? I mean, we need the exact time for an accurate reading... ;)
I know someone who is serious about this stuff and I think he may have actually done Bukowski's before as well. I'll try to remember to ask him next time I see him.
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Roni, have you ever tried to dig up a birth record? I mean, we need the exact time for an accurate reading... ;)
mjp
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Mather?
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
No, Mather is in Tuscon.
cirerita
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well, it seems that B. told Martinelli he was born "after dark". I guess that if you're born in Germany on Aug 16th "after dark", then we're talking about 10 pm or so.
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
Yes, it sounds a bit too exact not mentioning minutes, but it's good enough to make a horoscope out of. Most horoscopes are made knowing only the hour, because people don't remember, or have been told, the exact minute of their birth. So, August 16 at 10 PM will do nicely...
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I've dabbled in astrology over the years, and here's one of the patterns Bukowski has in his birth chart that can be verified by anyone who has studied it... verbatim text from Heaven Knows What by Grant Lewi, a description that fits very well:
VENUS CONJUNCTION SATURN
You have an extremely complex emotional nature subject to dejection, depression of spirits, and discontent arising from emotional causes. This usually goes back to your childhood, and the cold or unsympathetic treatment of you by one or both parents which has tended to warp your emotional nature. You are sensitive and have been hurt much too easily, so that you have withdrawn into yourself and give the appearance of being detached and a little hard"”which of course you are not... You have a somewhat sacrificial attitude toward love matters, believing that pain and suffering are the lot of those who love; and a liberal dose of self-pity generally accompanies this position. Your emotional troubles arise not only from the unkindness of others, but also from your somewhat suspicious attitude toward those who love you, which irritates and angers them and in the end may cause them to act toward you in just the manner you don't wish a sort of "that which I have feared hath come upon me" condition.
Based upon a likely 10 PM birth time, there are numerous other patterns in Buk's birth chart, according to the principles of interpretation in astrology, that point to his artistic genius as a poet and novelist, gambler and alcoholic, believe it or not.
Poptop
VENUS CONJUNCTION SATURN
You have an extremely complex emotional nature subject to dejection, depression of spirits, and discontent arising from emotional causes. This usually goes back to your childhood, and the cold or unsympathetic treatment of you by one or both parents which has tended to warp your emotional nature. You are sensitive and have been hurt much too easily, so that you have withdrawn into yourself and give the appearance of being detached and a little hard"”which of course you are not... You have a somewhat sacrificial attitude toward love matters, believing that pain and suffering are the lot of those who love; and a liberal dose of self-pity generally accompanies this position. Your emotional troubles arise not only from the unkindness of others, but also from your somewhat suspicious attitude toward those who love you, which irritates and angers them and in the end may cause them to act toward you in just the manner you don't wish a sort of "that which I have feared hath come upon me" condition.
Based upon a likely 10 PM birth time, there are numerous other patterns in Buk's birth chart, according to the principles of interpretation in astrology, that point to his artistic genius as a poet and novelist, gambler and alcoholic, believe it or not.
Poptop
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mjp
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[/QUOTE]If you aren't your own favorite writer, you shouldn't be a writer.slimedog;81446]And I thought Buk was Number one but it turns his choice is someone (ahem) closer to him.[QUOTE=Ambreen;81473]No said:
Not.
Not unless every other human born around that time is also an artistic genius, poet, novelist, gambler and alcoholic.
To believe that the arrangement of certain planets (oh, I'm sorry, only the ones nearby, in our solar system...you know 25 million to 3 billion miles away) at the time of your birth affects your life in the least is the most profoundly idiotic thing I think mankind has ever come up with.
Peace and love! (But you fuckers are making it difficult.)
I am by no means a believer in astrology, but it is possible that astrology points out a certain potential that, combined with genetics and upbringing, results in the overall disposition of a person. So, I don't buy the argument that every person born at a certain time must turn out the same way to justify astrology. Genetic disposition and environment play at least as important roles.
Or maybe not. It is certainly likely that astrology is completely bunk. But it's possible it isn't, if you consider that it's only part of the explanation.
Or maybe not. It is certainly likely that astrology is completely bunk. But it's possible it isn't, if you consider that it's only part of the explanation.
We're trying hard to forget. Please stop reminding us...:eek:
mjp
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I figure everyone already assumes Bush, so mentioning him would be redundant.
I'll make this easy to resolve: explain the science that supports astrology.
The science that proves - okay, even suggests - that the position of a planet 3 billion miles away at the moment you were born affects your personality.
Anyone feel free to jump in.
I'll wait.
Okay, it's real and it's not, check. ;) Come on, man. You're pissing all over science and reason.
I'll make this easy to resolve: explain the science that supports astrology.
The science that proves - okay, even suggests - that the position of a planet 3 billion miles away at the moment you were born affects your personality.
Anyone feel free to jump in.
I'll wait.
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
I think you have a point, PS. I've heard that astrology only points out your potential whether you realize that potential or not.
I don't believe in astrology myself but I still think it would be interesting and fun to see Buk's horoscope. Even better, done by different astrologers, so we could compare the horoscopes to one another. In theory they should get to the same result in general, at least if they follow the same astrological system. One thing is for sure - it's not a science, whatever they say themselves.
Could you come up with some more patterns, Poptop? So far it adds up...a little bit too much maybe.
I don't believe in astrology myself but I still think it would be interesting and fun to see Buk's horoscope. Even better, done by different astrologers, so we could compare the horoscopes to one another. In theory they should get to the same result in general, at least if they follow the same astrological system. One thing is for sure - it's not a science, whatever they say themselves.
Could you come up with some more patterns, Poptop? So far it adds up...a little bit too much maybe.
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number6horse
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When it comes to using the position of the stars to reveal ANYTHING other than your fixed position on earth, I believe Mr. Zappa said it best with these liner notes :
There are enough astrology writings in books, websites, magazine and newspaper columns out there that at least one out of the thousands of birth predictions is bound to be correct to fit the person looked for. We always tend to look for things that affirm our beliefs, anyway. Somebody finds a horoscope that looks similar to Bukowski and it's amusing, but it is nothing more than chance. My girlfriend showed me an astrology thing that described her very well, back from the year 2000; she hasn't found another one as accurate. Why not? Because it all depends on how the astrology writer woke up that morning, and how his/her mood is aligned with the weather.