A somewhat dissenting opinion

[Gerard K H Love]

awwww yah she's just a kid. i'm sure when she wrote this she had no idea this place was here or that anyone but her friends would even see it. (Snip...Snip...)

Just a kid? Just a kid with a Masters Degree. She's old enough and tough enough (maybe even rich enough) to take it. Hell, she writes that she's just been in Bosnia. Hillary Clinton was dodging sniper fire over there.;)

...and she called him a "son of a bitch."

Somebody out there loves her like .

 

[justine]

i agree with vodka, and i really don't think it's cool to have an entire thread devoted to semi-bullying/belittling some poor kid. she might be naive, a little arrogant or whatever, but she's not hurting anyone with her blog. god, if we had a thread dedicated to everyone who wrote some lazy criticism of bukowski this site would be overflowing with it.

and i'm really not thrilled with the idea that if someone googles her name, they'll find this thread almost immediately. if no one is going to delete this thread, at least google-proof it so her name isn't involved?

 

[vodka]

she has her masters?

well huh.

i'ma just stay outta this one from now on.

 

[flaco]

Masters degree or not, she's still young, still learning. Her Buk entry was the first after her Bosnia experience. I'm reminded of a Capt. Willard quote from Apocalypse Now.

"Clean, Mr. Clean, was from some South Bronx shithole. Light and space of Vietnam really put the zap on his head."

A little constructive criticism may help enlighten her. Or not. Has anybody invited her over here to the forum?

 

[hoochmonkey9]

she has a BA, gave up on graduate studies (according to her bio).

she has an uninformed opinion which I think is wrong. again, so what? let it go. forget about it. move on.

and get rid of her name here. we're starting to come across like witch hunters.

 

[Father Luke]

She has read Bukowski. She liked something that he
wrote, and it seems her only justification for calling
him an asshole was because she liked the poem.

It's a popular opinion, I understand.

This is part of Bukowski's legacy.

As a historical document, this thread is valid.

 

[CarversDog]

I recall when a young woman I will call Wodka, whom I have known for quite some time, made similar silly statements in an online public forum for writers. She has since grown up as will our friend with the orange in her mouth. All's cool.

 

[melancholic]

Bukowski is himself being dull, boring, unoriginal, and very, very pretentious.

This is some of the strangest critisism of bukowski's work i've ever read. Of all the things you could say about the man and his work he most definitely was not unoriginal and I'm not sure what her understanding of the word "pretentious" is But as far as i'm concerned there has never been a less pretentious writer/Poet than bukowski. as for her point about Bukowski being an elitist i think that is a way of base. Bukowski strongly believed that poetry should be a thing of the people and not the property of a small select few. she also got the name of her peice from a song by the band "modest mouse" which contains the lines ( refering to Bukowski)
god, who'd wanna be such an asshole?

 

[mjp]

i agree with vodka, and i really don't think it's cool to have an entire thread devoted to semi-bullying/belittling some poor kid.

and i'm really not thrilled with the idea that if someone googles her name, they'll find this thread almost immediately. if no one is going to delete this thread, at least google-proof it so her name isn't involved?

As someone who has been taking shit online for my opinions since Ms. L was 9 or 10 years old, I have mixed feelings about this.

24 or 25 is not that young, and when you post something with that much piss and vinegar in it, I think you have to accept any backlash that comes your way.

I didn't find her blog, Google alerts did. They served it up to me and I served it up to you. I am not sure she needs to be protected, but I have removed her name and a comment or two from this thread that make reference to her appearance.

But the criticism of her post is valid.

 

[vodka]

I recall when a young woman I will call Wodka, whom I have known for quite some time, made similar silly statements in an online public forum for writers. She has since grown up as will our friend with the orange in her mouth. All's cool.

pfft. i was just a baby when i started posting there. i had no idea what i was doing. i had just started writing again after like an eight year hiatus. i was in no way ready for y'all. i had never even used the internet for anything. it was good for me though. i got a thick skin quick and learned about nasty internet men straight away. specially you, nasty man. ;)

look at me now. i could do an ad for virginia slims.

 

[CarversDog]

Yep, my little Vodka's all grown up. Sometimes it puts a lump in my throat.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

Masters degree or not, she's still young, still learning.
....(snip...) Has anybody invited her over here to the forum?

I can see this happening, yes it sounds crazy, it would be good for her- in a nice way.

I am not sure she needs to be protected, but I have removed her name and a comment or two from this thread that make reference to her appearance.

But the criticism of her post is valid.

But

 

[justine]

But the criticism of her post is valid.

but mean and personal snarks are not. i don't know, i just think there are people more deserving of having a whole thread dedicated to criticising them, more than this girl.

 

[vodka]

i think, sometimes, shit just happens. mjp has taken the high road by removing personal attack.

as far as i'm concerned, it's all good.

i thought she was like, in high school. the comments about her criticism are valid. the personal attacks have been removed.

at this point, i don't really see how this is doing her any harm. it's doing her more good by getting her blog attention.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

but mean and personal snarks are not. i don't know, i just think there are people more deserving of having a whole thread dedicated to criticising them, more than this girl.

Okay, I'll stop it. So, now you get to invite her to join here and to be enlightened to the true love and beauty of Charles Bukowski the great American writer.
It is a woman's perogative to change her mind. :)

She probably will if she can forgive our fun.

 

[justine]

thanks for removing her name and the personal stuff, mjp.

 

[flaco]

I can see this happening, yes it sounds crazy, it would be good for her- in a nice way.

What a truly horrible circumstance not to go a little crazy. I think I read that somewhere. ;)

 

[harrystuped]

well I think Master's degrees are over rated, she might of read buk for a bit or so, but you guys know that it takes a certain pair of eyes to feel buk, i have passed buk's work to several of my friends that are my age, and they don't get him, I'm not saying some special kind of reader, I'm saying people are to spoiled to actually appreciate other people's stand point, is good that you have the freedom to post what ever you want over the web, but when I began to post my stuff on the internet, i was expecting feedback, and I have learned a lot from such feedback, you just can't have one's cake and eat it too.
also "young adults" are kinda spoiled, they need a certain kind of order