Ananda Osel/Joseph Osel: Article about a emerging genre of poetry. What does everyone think?

[number6horse]

Very well-researched Snowball Fight. Well done, indeed. You're quickly moving up the ladder in our Bio/Background/Fake ID Department and will soon be leading our Federal Judicial Nominee Committee ! Long live the white, middle-aged poets. And their ruthless manipulation of public opinion. And comfortable sandals. I'm just saying. Maybe some KEENS.

Those students are doomed because Courtney never will go down. Never.
Well, not in those words exactly but you know what I mean. And so do a lot of limo drivers.

It is as written....

 

[bospress.net]

snowball fight fucking ROCKS!

Bill

 

[Black Swan]

Very nice post Snowball Fight.

 

[rjwink666]

Proletariat Press, publisher of his chapbooks, publishes only the good Mr. Osel, and another guy who is co-editor of his poetry web site, common-line.com (which was apparently run by Richard Wink for a few months at one point).

I edited the Commonline Project for a few months. It didn't really work out. But from my limited dealings with Ananda, well, he seemed like a nice enough chap.

 

[bospress.net]

or conglomeration of nice Chaps:rolleyes:

Bill

 

[Ambreen]

Right, but there's a difference between expressing yourself and insulting us. Don't try to spin this into into some kind of noble effort on your part. If you take a passive-aggressive stab at people when you "express yourself" like you did, you can expect to get a negative reaction. It's a pretty simple concept, really.

Come on, I never insulted any of you.

And no "kind of noble effort" from me, I was just expressing how exasperate I was (and still am) to see war and conflicts everywhere, in real life as on web, between countries, within families, against an aspiring writer, etc., the list is too long.

 

[1fsh2fsh]

Hey , its war all of the time baby.

 

[Ninjerk]

war and conflicts everywhere

lol

 

[CRBSMILE]

I regret my long absence. Whenever I'm away from here I miss the good stuff.
Do I have to change my user name? I mean, there seems to be alot of animosity towards the smiley, but Man! I was here first, and I'm so close to 666; a goal I've longed for. Smiles to all, CRBSMILE

 

[hoochmonkey9]

Billy Mays is my hero. Now there's a motherfucker who can sell. Artemus Osage - or whatever the kid who started this thread is calling himself these days - could learn a proper pitch from the great Billy Mays.

RIP Billy Mays.

now selling OxiClean to St. Peter to keep the clouds of Heaven their whitest.

 

[1fsh2fsh]

Billy Mays is my hero.

billy mays dead at 50. shit now we can really panic! :ooh.... well I guess this is old news already.......

 

[mjp]

I blame Osel.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

I'm glad I made it past 50.

 

[bospress.net]

Billy Mays is my hero. Now there's a motherfucker who can sell. Artemus Osage - or whatever the kid who started this thread is calling himself these days - could learn a proper pitch from the great Billy Mays.

If mjp has the power to smite with his thoughts, maybe you could say a nice thing or two about OJ and Sarah Palin....

Bill

 

[CRBSMILE]

hee hee hee...

HOLY SHIT! I can't believe it. :)

 

[number6horse]

C'mon mjp - you KNOW you have the power. And We know you have it.

Now get to smitin'......

 

[Jesse Lee]

OK... into the pool of poetic sharks I go. Since I am the man that Osel described as the Moron Narcissist that everybody made a big deal about I figured I'd weight in.

I only Googled Ananda because I've read some pretty disparaging comments / poems he has written about me in the past months and I wanted to see if there were any more recent insults.

Ananda is one guy, he does fight (or used to) and I really don't know why he portrays himself to be what he is not. In oppose to those of you who have been writing for sometime...Ananda is more of a poet "come lately."

Ironically enough, I believe his motivation for becoming a writer was good. While I am a far cry from a literary poet... I grew up in the harshest of enviornments and my "poems" are something that street-kids, hip-hop artists, and everyday Laymen could relate to I am more of a people's poet...than a poets poet.

I was already drug/ alchohol addicted when I met a wonderful young lady at 17 yrs old. I spend the next 9 yrs destroying her life and stripping her of her trust and self dignity. I was a terribly bad person to her and I have regretted it ever since. Ananda saved her from me, he made her feel loved and protected and even treated my son with care and compassion.

While I think he's out for attention, I truly believe that because of the (local) reputation I had for being a poet... Ananda really felt like he had to try to outdo me.

As I read these posts what started as a feeling of jubilee and vindication soon evaporated into a strange need to defend him... I know that he had a terribly abusive childhood (similar to mine) and yet he still knew how to treat a lady and a child that wasn't his.. that's got to count for something.

You can say whatever you want about his poetry, I'm not here to defend that. But keep in mind that you almost never know someones true motivation and what is being perceived here as "self serving motivation", is actually his way of proving his love to a woman left in pieces

Ananda Osel is a decent human being and a good role model. We don't even really like each other, but you all have taken it very very far.

"You cannot judge how far along one is in this race, without knowing where their starting line began."

There's a term in Ultimate Fighting called "tapping-out" it's when a fighter has had enough for one bout. I've seen enough...Mo Mas.
Next topic.

 

[bospress.net]

We don't even really like each other, but you all have taken it very very far.

oh, come on. I'm sure that we did not hurt his feelings. He's a big boy and bared his feelings in his writing. I'm sure a little argument on a forum will not send him to a therapist.

I don't have a problem with him as much as I have a problem with people joining this forum to either promote his work or defend him.

Bill

p.s. Many of us had truly shitty childhoods. I'm not sure why that has anything to do with anything.

 

[mjp]

...keep in mind that you almost never know someones true motivation and what is being perceived here as "self serving motivation", is actually his way of proving his love to a woman left in pieces

And I should give a shit about his motivation why, exactly?

If you insert yourself into our world here, you get what you get. If you do more self promotion than writing, expect people to call "bullshit." If you lie about who you are, expect someone to counter with the truth.

Osel certainly is a whiney cunt for such a tough guy. I should post his sad, tear-soaked emails here so everyone can see what a pussy the frat-boy-of-steel really is. Every time one of you clowns in his little circle comes here to dredge this up again, it's only going to get worse.

Many of us had truly shitty childhoods.

In that case you have every right to refer to yourself as the "former president of the Black American Student Association," Bill.

And you are also now free to say that you are better than poets who are narcissistic or hype themselves (while narcissistically hyping yourself).

 

[bospress.net]

In that case you have every right to refer to yourself as the "former president of the Black American Student Association," Bill.

I was elected, but refused to serve until they freed Mumia.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

I wonder if the former drug addict poet will ever post here again.

Wow! look at the tags:
ananda osel, ananda osel asshole, ananda osel con, ananda osel fake, ananda osel frat boy, ananda osel fraud, ananda osel justification, ananda osel phony, ananda osel vindication, ananda osel wigger

I love to laugh.

 

[mjp]

ananda osel vindication, that's a good one. This thread certainly does vindicate him. Wigger? Ha ha ha. Ouch.

 

[Jesse Lee]

I had the privilege of reading a few of your literary contributions, Wow I can understand now why you are all so upset. A bunch wise old, white, broke washed up hacks who don't say much of anything interesting to say in your works so you feel compelled to overcompensate by pissing all over your little blog territory

This must be like the South Central of the internet Lol Did I intrude on your little web-turf? well sorry oops I mean FUCK YOU.

Because anyone who's been through anything in life doesn't try to take what is the poorest & most humble form of free expression, and turn it into a fascist little circle jerk forum like most of you have done here. DARING PEOPLE TO ENTER AND RESPOND WITH BOLD PRINT...when you KNOW that you are ONLY bold...in print.

Exciting poetry and art in general is generated by artists that have lived and experienced life that no one can teach you in Literary classes and you cannot achieve from your dusty vantage point in whatever paper-clustered faded newspaper clipping little apartments you are judging people from.

Bunch of washed-up OLD worked over wankers with 4,000+ posts on a blog that nobody cares about. KUDOS.

We have our whole lives ahead of us and a history of living that makes for exciting poetry that our generation seems to be taking to.

All you have is faded dreams, empty book signings, and your little gang of poets. Well, I've got nothing but time...let your hate begin...

 

[bospress.net]

someone has anger issues. These are the kind of anger issues that you see from frustrated people, not people who are happy with where they are in their lives, their art, or their careers.

I'm not going to insulting Ananda Saleh Ostel. Frankly other than his really annoying friends and his bullshit back story (Former President of the Black Student's Association?), I don't have anything against him. I have not read him and would not publish him, but that is completely because I could not deal with his crazy rabid friends, like you, who feel the need to defend him as if the Ultimate Fighter cannot stand up for himself. It makes him look sad and weak, but that is your fault, not his...

Bill

p.s. This is not a blog. I know that 18 year old cannot understand that everything is not a blog. This is a forum.

 

[mjp]

We have our whole lives ahead of us and a history of living that makes for exciting poetry that our generation seems to be taking to.

Is this the part where the song We Are The Champions swells up behind you as the pomo masses cheer their approval?

You go, girl!

Every generation needs something to push against, to rise above. Since there's really not much holding you down these days, no MAN to rally against, no draft, no establishment to fight, no counterculture to join, I understand that you have to pick your fights where you can find them. It's cute. I would rub your carefully tousled little heads if I wasn't afraid of getting hair gel all over myself.

Fly your freak flag high, little brother.

 

[Jesse Lee]

Bill-

I guess 3 pages of "forum" full of insulting remarks about 1 person and overposting of a name so that people will come here rather than to his site is not your idea of some form of aggression? It is mine. I'm not angry, I quite like some of the other Forum topics I've just read, but I don't like bullying at all, in real life or evidential in forums either. I would simply like to see the lashing followed up by some constructive critique, you have the power to do that Bill

It's obvious that the people in here are quick witted and intelligent, can't anyone give a young writer better advise than to smear them all over the page for all future googlers to find and read.

I will follow this Forum closely from now on because I respect a place that doesn't facilitate any BS, but it's still a small community and people should get a chance to learn.

ps. what if the original poster (tanbox) really WAS just somebody that read it locally, I mean could happen right?

 

[mjp]

what if the original poster (tanbox) really WAS just somebody that read it locally, I mean could happen right?

No it couldn't.

Look around. Do you see a lot of critique of young poets here? No, you don't, because this isn't a writing forum. The only reason to make the original post was to draw attention to the great and holy Osel.

To me, that's nothing more than spam. Advertising done in a dishonest way. If you think Osel is JESUS, come and say so. Don't "just happen to read" some article comparing him to Shakespeare or Hemingway and post it here. We are stupid, yes, but not that stupid, friend.

If you do look around you will see that anyone who comes in here out of the blue and lies to promote something gets the very same treatment. That is how we keep this from becoming a shithole of useless plugs, you dig?

If someone comes in in a genuine way, we welcome their subsequent plugs and sales pitches. But they have to prove they aren't just here to sell something to us first. Something like a t-shirt, a bus tour or a poet.

 

[Hosh]

can't anyone give a young writer better advise than to smear them all over the page for all future googlers to find and read.

Humility?

Earning your stripes before bragging on them?

Letting people find their way to your work instead of shoving it up their cornshoot?

If he writes poems that are strong, & publishes for years, chances are very good people here will find and buy them. This community--besides loving Bukowski--loves writing in general...& has a soft spot for small press writing.

Jesse Lee--what's your favorite Bukowski book? THAT is at the root of all of this... Because this is Bukowski.net, afterall...& there's a helluva lot more going on outside of the *not* bukowski forum...

The fact that so many new posters come here & talk about this guy instead of Bukowski might just put people off...If there's a merry band of support for him, why not start a Ananda.net, where all those many friends can gather & tell each other how great he is?

Otherwise it seems a whole lot like a new, unknown type trying to ride Bukowski's coattails...

There's some advice.

 

[jordan]

like i said upthread, become a forum member and post on discussions, add your opinion about BUKOWSKI (he's the subject of this site), and then people might take you seriously. come here as just the next dickwad in a line of dickwads who are only here to propogate the identity of a poet that everyone realizes doesn't exist, and you will get flamed.

oh and nice line about the "congrats on 4000 posts on a blog no one cares about" line - that's literally the first time anyone has ever made that observation on a forum, and you're right, we're all totally lame. if you win, does that mean you'll shut up?

 

[mjp]

And since we're giving sincere advice for some young man in the year 2009 A.D., I would suggest to Mr. Osel that he stop using terms like; controversial, rebel, anti-hero, reckless, in opposition to [...] the literary establishment, to describe work that is none of those things.

Seriously, I tried to find any of that in the samples of his work online and couldn't. If you can, please point it out to me. It is all very traditional poetry written using traditional creative writing techniques. It isn't bad, it isn't good, it's just - there. Like eight hundred million other poems.

Which literary establishment is he outside of, exactly?