Father Luke
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good one Bill
Best Buk Bio(s)?
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Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
Fard Soon? I'll have to get that one too! :D
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pichon64
Not read nor write
Oh, you don't wanna mess with that man, do you? ;) I mean, the one with the complete name. He has an issue with... er... photographs.
So I positioned my fingers strategically.
Oh yes, I plan everything.
Father Luke
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May I suggest:
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
SUNLIGHT HERE I AM < - - - clickable link
order here: - - >http://sundogpress.net/ordering.shtml
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
SUNLIGHT HERE I AM < - - - clickable link
order here: - - >http://sundogpress.net/ordering.shtml
Hi to all you fine peeps, so has anyone read, 'Bukowski and The Beats', by Jean-Francois Duval? Sun Dog Press 2002. Translated from the french. I've held back on it, though I did read the Bukowski interview contained within. Good pictures throughout. Does anyone have any info on the author? Thanks, CRB:)
bospress.net
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I always resisted. Something about the title. Since we know that Bukowski was not a Beat, it makes no more sense to me than Bukowski and the Stock Brokers.
Maybe the title is deceiving and I have been wrong all these years.
Bill
Maybe the title is deceiving and I have been wrong all these years.
Bill
HI, no I went through it, albeit briefly, but it is one of the reasons I picked it up; the index/biblio./reference is quite thorough. Intersesting to note that in the list of websites, there is Not even one listed for Bukowski. Was there not one out there in 2002? And also, WHY does there seem to be such an urge to link up Bukowski and the Beats? Any opinions? I've never really gotten into the Beat stuff,I've tasted it here and there, and the interest I have in it now is any 'connection' with surrealism.I recently got the Viking Portable, and did peruse it for a few days, but then I spilled beer on it and had to let it dry, I'm not sure if it'll make it. CRB:)
ROC
It is what it is
Because categorisation creates a sense of comfort in the person doing the categorising and there are few more conspicuous and (somewhat) contemporaneous groups to lump him in with?
So, just lump them together because they all wrote during the same time period. Fine, Lit. Critics do/say what they want,going way out on limbs over and again. they have and always will take their criticisim wherever THEY want. But I do find it unusual, for the most part an attempt is usually made to connect writers/poets/artists,together with a stonger thread than what seems to happen with Bukowski and the Beats. If they are just throwing Bukowski in there for convenience's sake than shame, shame shame on them(again)! Simple is not always correct. Cheers, CRB:)
ROC
It is what it is
Yes it is wrong and more than a little ridiculous.
Buk was a beat poet like am a 16th century lithographer.
PS - I am not a 16th century lithographer.
mjp
Founding member
There have been Bukowski-centric web sites for more than a decade. The internets, it's quite old, ya know.
Sure Thing Man, I just found it strange that he'd listed other sites & no Bukowski, because the book is most definatly geared towards/for Bukowski ,more so than the Beats,(this is why I wonder at the 'connection' made). I assume it would have been harder for the author to get a book publised just on Bukowski, so he 'broadened his horizons', but still not one website listed? I wonder why. CRB:)
i see a point in it:
- Both (Buk and 'the Beats') were a phenomenon, that was based on the need to create a 'new style', far away from traditional thought of what literature should be, using 'real talk' etc. (i'm talking of the late 50s-60s here - of course, Buk had been writing from the early 40s to the early 90s, which is a much wider period than that of the Beats.)
- Both were using their everydaylife to produce literature out of it.
- Both were more depending on 'feeling' than on 'brain' (like intellectual dispute etc) - (please excuse my bad ability of expressing this thought in English, but i'm sure, you do know what i mean here.)
- Both were not really fans of the major majority, the society, the leading politics.
which leads to the reasons, why Buk is NOT a Beat:
- even though he wasn't happy with the state of society / politics, he Never had the urge to go out and preach in order to change things.
and another:
- he never was a person to cling to a clique. he was an individual and a loner all over. the Beats were Not. (Neeli has pointed to that in his bio, and i find this a valid point.)
so far today.
okay,
roni
Good points all around. One reason I think that Buk gets linked to the Beats is that I suspect that his work is often discovered by that 18-25 year old segment of the population who, upon leaving high school or college become exposed to "less mainstream" literature at that time. I know I discovered Kerouac, Ferlinghetti, Ginsberg and Bukowski within a year or so of each other, so there's a relationship there, even if it it is entirely manufactured.
So, like the Beats, Buk's work was a new genre that occurred more or less around the same time as the Beat movement, and pigeon-holers lumped it all together because it's far easier to give things a cursory read and lump them all together than it is to delve into the works or a writer and just let it be whatever it actually is.
So, like the Beats, Buk's work was a new genre that occurred more or less around the same time as the Beat movement, and pigeon-holers lumped it all together because it's far easier to give things a cursory read and lump them all together than it is to delve into the works or a writer and just let it be whatever it actually is.
Review of The Holy Grail
The Holy Grail: Charles Bukowski and The Second Coming Revolution
by A.D. Winans.
http://jacketmagazine.com/26/feast-winan.html
The Holy Grail: Charles Bukowski and The Second Coming Revolution
by A.D. Winans.
http://jacketmagazine.com/26/feast-winan.html
Is there something like a quintessential biography or just a book about him and his books?
