buk and animal rights

[Ponder]

I don't eat meat for almost 10 years. It's not even a big issue to me. In real life I rather avoid the subject.

I drink and smoke.

 

[jordan]

OH MY GOD. how can you be a vegetarian and smoke?! YOU HYPOCRITE!!!

seriously, someone please ban this guy.

 

[Michael Conrad]

yawn, i am checking out of this thread.

do what you can people.

 

[Ponder]

Good choice, Michael.

The links you dropped here are useless. People google them if they feel the need.
Of course I know Hitler was a vegetarian and Steve Richmond painted roses.

 

[bospress.net]

i knew this would happen when i started this thread. and bill, you'd be surprised how many times i've been at a jewish gathering (i'm jewish), only to have other jews tell me i should eat brisket or lox or whatever because hitler was a vegetarian. there's a song by a band called anal cunt called "hitler was a sensitive man" that talks about how he was a vegetarian, and that if he were alive today, his favorite band would be the smiths.

look, i think bukowski's stuff in living on luck (cited by ninjerk) is applicable to the little spat going on here. buk was horrified at the animal rights violations he saw in the meat industry, yet he continued to eat meat, not because he was a huge hypocrite, but because he drew his personal line where he did... sensitive enough to care that humanity had advanced to a state where it could treat animals like that, sensitive enough to give a shit about them, but not so broken up over it that he changed his lifestyle to accommodate this sensitivity. to me, that's better than some asshole who says "fuck the cows, they're dumb and deserve to die", even though that asshole is consistent. likewise, mjp at one point didn't eat meat, but he didn't draw his personal line at not using any animal products at all. likewise, i still eat honey, although i have vegan friends who will not, because i draw my personal line in between bees and other animals. finally, i have heard mouthfuls from people who rag on me for wearing outdoorsy clothes made from petroleum based products (like polypropylene or gore-tex), saying that i should wear wool, because it's greener. does it make me a hypocrite that i profess to care about the environment while wearing these clothes, because it's more important to me not to wear something that had to be sheared off of an animal? it's a personal choice. the only time i ever lecture someone is in defense ("not eating meat means you're not a real man"), or because their lack of compassion is startling. to me, caring is the most important thing... which is why it doesn't disturb me too much that buk rejected vegetarianism. "deeds not words" i know, but the capability to feel that compassion says a whole lot to me about someone's character.

Hi Jordan,
Nothing wrong with defending your rights, certainly. Also nothing wrong with defending yourself against the charge that "real men eat meat". What some object to is the "fanatics" that feel the need to assault people for NOT being a Vegan. I have mad respect for someone that has the dicipline to live a Vegan life. In today's world, that is not easy. It all but rules out eating at many restaurants. Again, I think that being a Vegan would be great and have nothing but respect. It I had the dicipline I would do it (also I can't go without sushi, so there is that). Shit, I publish poetry. I know the idea of people thinking that real men watch football, they don't read poetry.

If only some people could avoid insulting people that are NOT vegans. We don't want to see pictures of buckets of checken heads. We don't want to see dead chickens lying on mounds of feces. We know. The poultry industry is a mess and a shame.

I guess that all pro-lifers do not go out handing pictures of aborted fetuses out at the mall and all vegans go not go on mesage boards callling vegetarians hypocrites and posting websites of dead chickens...

Bill

 

[ROC]

Wow, this got ugly fast.

As long as we are all shitting and pissing in our fresh water supply, I suggest we all back the fuck off with the name calling.

Hmmm?

 

[bospress.net]

Not a bad idea!

Bill

 

[mjp]

Assholes.

 

[Bukfan]

Lol :d

 

[ROC]

...:eek: ...:D

Fuck God in the face.... How can he do this to me??!!

:p

 

[Jerzy]

I know the idea of people thinking that real men watch football, they don't read poetry.

Why not both?