Bukowski and Women

Black Swan

Black Swan

Abord the Yorikke!
ROC said:
Like Dubya or his right-wing religious looney friends - not an opinion but a dogma.
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Okay, to end this discussion on a good note: let's say I was being presumptuous to say that Linda was initially attracted to Bukowskis 'fame, as his groupies, which is to me a fact, what would this conversation make you... at the other end? I suppose that you would be absolutely right... right?
Let's Buk on
 
ROC

ROC

It is what it is
Yes, if there is room to doubt your opinion, then there must be room to doubt mine - even if my 'opinion' is simply doubting the veracity of your opinion.
Therefore, if sufficient doubt is cast on my opinion, which states that your opinion lacks accuracy vis-à-vis the reality of LLBs initial attraction to CB , it might be deduced that your opinion is in fact fact whereas my opinion is simply me blowing delicate notes from my posterior.
However, if we both accept the idea that neither of our ideas constitute facts but are, simply, unverifiable opinions, then it might be shown that your original statement was an article of opinion stated as fact, whereas my opinion (casting doubt on the accuracy of your 'fact') was an acknowledgment of reality and nature of "truth'.

Right?
 
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Black Swan

Black Swan

Abord the Yorikke!
My dear Roc,

Allrighty? I was not going to take the bait, the sun is going down and the day has been a fruitbowl...

All these words, a nice philosophical formula but no pulse. I am working with a very active left brain and communicating as well as I can with ESL. Did she or did'nt she?
I am tempted to say Vade Retro Roco but I will stand as an old wrestler ready to grapple.
As a painter I really appreciated the picture that you painted of yourself blowing notes from your posterior... that is referring to the opinion you believe that I have of your opinion, regarding your concept of "truth". I have decided to grant you a blue star for your effort at gaining my confidence in your conclusion . But the gold star is to be gained .The equation is just an equation, it is simply a draft ,an attempt, a mask at hiding a lack of courage on your behalf. At least I have expressed myself with no shame where as you hide behind sterile enunciations of acquired knowledge. Greetings from the bottom of my heart.
You should definitely cut down on the Red Bull.
 
ROC

ROC

It is what it is
Yeah. Shits and giggles were lost on you so...
In plain english...

You claim to know LLB motivations - in essence - what she thought.
I say you cannot know this.

i.e. you are full of shit in pretending to know something you are only guessing at and I am right in saying you are only guessing.

End of story.



(but no... my bullshit meter tells me I'll hear from you again - so over to you once more)
 
Black Swan

Black Swan

Abord the Yorikke!
Hey Roc!

How are you doing?

Don't tell me that we are down at throwing shit all over the place. We need to be nice. I was expecting a little more creativity from you, more originality.

By the way about your shit meter. You are using it for in coming mail only. There is another function for the out going mail as well. Look at the manual.
Enter reflect and it will come on.

I am happy If I can make you laugh.

Have a nice day!
 
ROC

ROC

It is what it is
You do make me laugh. But not for the reasons you intend.

At this stage, what you are doing amounts to trolling.

You come on to a (the?) Bukowski website and state definitively that you know why LLB was attracted to CB (not that it matter!).
I suggest you can't possibly know this and you insist it is a simple fact.

In lieu of any proof or intelligent input, you offer glib quips and attempts at humor that barely conceal your passive/aggressive stance.

So - offer me some proof - show me how you know what you claim to know and I will bow out gracefully.

And, just so we're clear - I'm not positing a contrary opinion to yours - I'm simply stating that there is no basis in fact for yours.
Can you see the difference?
 
S

SouthernGentleman

Black Swan and ROC

Hey guys,

Let's try to get back to the topic, if that's all right. Debating the conditions of assertability, the relation between assertion and knowledge, and so forth is something you two can do in epistemology forums and journals.

For now, let's keep the good comments coming about Buk's allure to women, and how much his fame had to do with it.

Thanks everyone for contributing.

SouthernGentleman
 
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