Bukowski recordings

[roni]

I assume those are in the Montfort stash and not your own?

yes.

[...] what is (or was) available [...]

right.
I just remembered, I had made this list and looked it up and since our official list holds some recordings which were only home-recordings in the first place before they came available, I thought I'd shove them on you.


tapes that looked like or were labeled like "official" variations:

17 - Hostage - Reading 1980 - tape OVP
19 - 90 Minutes in Hell - Recording 1966 - 2nd Press, Toronto, 30/30
20 - 90 Minutes in Hell - Maro
23 - Bukowski & Richmond - Interview 1968 and Reading (?) - S-Press Tonband Verlag OVP


(sorry, no better screenshot possible)

 

[mjp]

Since I just made these lists I figured I'd post them here. It's the contents of the two readings DVDs, Last Straw and Riot.

THE LAST STRAW
Jam
What have I seen?
Trouble
Eating The Father
Competition
The Secret Of My Endurance
On The Hustle
I'm A Reasonable Man
The 9 Horse*
The Beast
I Don't Need A Cleopatra*
Hemingway
Fan Letter
The Drunk With The Little Legs
Tour
The Recess Bells Of School*
Giving A Poetry Reading

THERE'S GONNA BE A GOD DAMN RIOT IN HERE
The Secret Of My Endurance*
Sucks (It Sucks/Runaway Inflation?)
I Don't Need A Cleopatra
Unleaded
Quick Dreams (?)
Untitled (?)
The 9 Horse
Schubert
Layoff
Platonic
We've Got To Communicate
The Beast*
The Alien
Trumpets For Strumpets (?)
The Old Pinch Hitter
The Lady In Red
The Recess Bells Of School
Combat Primer
A Love Poem For All The Women I Have Known

*These poems are only included in the two dvd set, One Tough Mother.

 

[mjp]

I thought we had a list of the contents of all the other recordings as well, but I don't see it anywhere.

Unless it's in a text file somewhere on my computer at home...or in my imagination...

 

[Black Swan]

What about the readings that he gave at different universities? Did any of those ever resurfaced, or are they included in the ones listed above?

 

[Bukfan]

I believe the list is complete. The only recorded university reading that comes to mind is "Bukowski At Bellevue". Maybe some of the guys here can think of some other ones.

 

[Black Swan]

Thanks Bukfan, I know about that one. I just wondered if there were more recordings from colleges or universities.

 

[mjp]

I may put them in the database...

Oh, look.

It took a while to work out the technical bits, but I think I have it buttoned up. Only three recordings are in the database at the moment (the KPFK CD, and both versions of Terror Street), I just put in enough to test with.

I'll try to get the rest in next week, but the data entry isn't quite as exciting as the coding and database work.
:rolleyes:

 

[roni]

Oh, look.

fantastic, baby!

may I suggest, that the year given should rather be the year of recording than the year of publication?

 

[mjp]

The year of the recording is there if you click through.

It's dated by the publication year in the initial results to help anyone looking for the recordings. My thinking was the interest would be in the product, not the session the product is taken from.

But either way, both are there.

 

[roni]

My thinking was the interest would be in the product, not the session [...]

that's where oppinions differ.

 

[mjp]

I added the Cold Turkey Press LP and CD, Hostage, There's Gonna Be a God Damn Riot in Here and The Last Straw to the database.

While I was sorting out the DVDs I noted the following in There's Gonna Be a God Damn Riot in Here:

Quick Dream (some of this was incorporated into a longer published poem: Trouble In The Night)
Untitled (Empty Goblet)
Layoff (unpublished)
Trumpets For Strumpets (unpublished)

 

[mjp]

I thought I was going to finish with these today, but it's a drawn out process, identifying and comparing these things, so I only got through about half of what I have left.

Anyway, added these:

Poems and Insults
Bukowski Reads His Poetry Takoma LP and CD
Bukowski Reads His Poetry Black Sparrow CD (not the same as above)
Underwater Poetry Festival
NOLA Cassette Gazette (a.k.a. King of Poets CD) This one was a little surprising. Of the 23 poems read, I had to add 10 to the database. Which tells me one of two things: we've vastly underestimated the number of poems he wrote, or he lost that batch and never submitted them anywhere. I tend to believe the latter.

 

[Purple Stickpin]

On the upside, they never got edited...

 

[mjp]

My thinking was the interest would be in the product, not the session [...]

that's where opinions differ.

I've been thinking about this, so today I tried to group the individual poem recordings results by the recording session rather than the release, but I didn't lay the database out to work that way, so it's kind of impossible. I'd have to re-do the database tables for the recordings to do the listing that way. It might be worth looking into one day, but not today.

But I made this for you. All of the poems aren't linked to all of the releases yet, so some of those links point to empty pages.

I probably said this already, but adding the recordings was a lot more complicated than I thought it would be. Like everything else in life. ;)

 

[Bukfan]

Maybe the recording list should mention that the two DVDs from Monday Media (There's gonna be a god damn riot in here & The last straw) were also released in a 2-DVD box containing various bonus material, and that At Terror Street And Agony Way is a 2-CD box? It's just a suggestion.

 

[mjp]

There's a note about the poems that are in One Tough Mother but not on the single discs.

I was going to add One Tough Mother but it's mostly duplication. But then I suppose there's duplication in a lot of the others too...

 

[Bukfan]

Good! The note is sufficient.

 

[mjp]

Okay, One Tough Mother has been added as two discs (1, 2) and the track listings for the single discs fixed so they no longer include the "bonus" poems.

 

[Bukfan]

As for One Tough Mother, you write for both disc one and two:

"This disc includes three poems not on the single disc release of .... : The 9 Horse, I Don't Need A Cleopatra and The Recess Bells Of School."

Were the three poems deleted from both of the single discs? I thought they were deleted from "
There's Gonna Be a God Damn Riot in Here" because they were already on "The Last Straw" since Monday Media did´nt think it was a good idea to have the same poems on both single discs? Of course, my memory my fail me (yet again). I guess I´ll have to check both single discs and find out.

 

[roni]

Were the three poems deleted from both of the single discs?

There have been 6 duplicate poems all together and Jon Monday cut 3 from each DVD.
Here's what he wrote:

 

[mjp]

As for One Tough Mother, you write for both disc one and two:

Where do you see that? They both list different poems as being "extras":

One Tough Mother, Disc 1: There's Gonna Be a God Damn Riot in Here
This disc includes two poems not on the single disc release of There's Gonna Be a God Damn Riot in Here: The Secret Of My Endurance and The Beast.

One Tough Mother, Disc 2: The Last Straw
This disc includes three poems not on the single disc release of The Last Straw: The 9 Horse, I Don't Need A Cleopatra and The Recess Bells Of School.​

6 duplicate poems

I only count five in the finished products.

 

[Bukfan]

There have been 6 duplicate poems all together and Jon Monday cut 3 from each DVD.
Here's what he wrote:

View attachment 8168

- Thanks, for clearing it up, Roni!

Where do you see that? They both list different poems as being "extras":

Sorry! My mistake. I must have clicked on the same disc twice without realizing it. How embarrassing. :fool:

 

[mjp]

Everything in the list should be in the database now. So unless (or until) something new pops up, all of the known recordings are in the database. Or all of the known, available recordings anyway.

 

[mjp]

This is from February of 1964, Bukowski is writing to the Webbs about signing pages for It Catches My Heart In Its Hands (yes, that was published months earlier, but the Webbs took a long time to complete hand binding the full runs of the books), but he also mentions a recording that we don't have listed...

 

[BukFan Brad]

Interesting that Buk mentioned Genet in this letter.

 

[roni]

Buk mentioned Genet

the Webbs also published Genet.
I guess this is what he's referring to here.

 

[Digney in Burnaby]

He might be referring to the ad in the Voice where Genet is quoted "Beau livre, belle poisie!"

https://bukowskiforum.com/threads/ad-for-it-catches-from-the-village-voice-1964.8371/

 

[mjp]

Sorry, the page that listed recordings by name wasn't exactly alphabetical (not sure how it was arranged), but it is now.

Also linked to those pages from the main search page. Well, I'm about to do that anyway.

 

[Bukfan]

I have a couple of minor suggestions. How about noting which CDs are actually 2-CDs, and noting that "Bukowski Reads His Poetry" from Black Sparrow contains a selection of the poems from the 2-CD "At Terror Street And Agony Way"?

 

[mjp]

How about noting which CDs are actually 2-CDs...

The fields in the database aren't really set up to indicate that. I guess it didn't occur to me, since there's only the one double LP and one double CD. Or two double CDs actually, off the top of my head. But it could be done on the recordings pages, since they don't read from the database anymore. (Done.)

noting that "Bukowski Reads His Poetry" from Black Sparrow contains a selection of the poems from the 2-CD "At Terror Street And Agony Way"?

If I do that then I have to say that Cassette Gazette and King of Poets share tracks, and A Cold Turkey Press Special, 12 Great Americans and Poems and Insults, and 90 Minutes in Hell and 70 Minutes in Hell...then do we say that Hello. It's good to be back and Solid Citizen are the same reading? And Hostage and The Last Straw? I think to put that information in the notes for the individual releases becomes unnecessarily confusing. But it could be done.

I think for anyone who cares about that duplication the page that orders the releases by recording date does the trick. But I suppose there's some value in knowing which tracks might be duplications. It would have to be based on the source though, the recording dates.

I don't want to say something like Bukowski Reads His Poetry is taken from At Terror Street And Agony Way because I'm pretty sure it isn't. They share the same source, but one isn't taken from the other, if you see what I mean.