Dan Fante
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That is true. If you buy the book directly from Sun Dog, he makes 100% of the money. The book is $14.95. If you buy it from Amazon, Al makes $6.73 less whatever postage it cost him to mail it. Amazon makes $8.23, plus they charge you $3.99 for shipping (media) and they probably pay $2 to get it to you, so they make another $2 on the overcharge in shipping fees. At the end of the day, the publisher would make $6.73 (less the fee for him to get a check from Amazon), while Amazon gets about $10.23.
Yes, whenever possible, buy from the publisher or a reputable smaller bookseller. We need them to stay in business.
Bill
Yes, whenever possible, buy from the publisher or a reputable smaller bookseller. We need them to stay in business.
Bill
mjp
Founding member
Uh, okay? Thanks so much for the presumptive scolding.
LickTheStar
Sad Flower in the Sand
I don't usually buy books from Amazon. Probably because I work in a bookstore. And I would like my store to still be here in a few years.
DVDs, music... I'm more likely to buy from Amazon, but books? It just seems silly. Plus... shipping fees suck.
DVDs, music... I'm more likely to buy from Amazon, but books? It just seems silly. Plus... shipping fees suck.
Didn't mean to scold. We in the publishing business who takes chances and publish less "commercial" authors need some backup from readers or we don't survive--it's as simple as that.
If Amazon would have been around in the 60s and 70s and people bought their Black Sparrow Bukowski books from them used Black Sparrow would probably have never had the impact it did; they wouldn't have had the money to keep putting out books. This blog also probably wouldn't exist--for who would have made the commitment to a writer like Bukowski then except John Martin? Large presses like Ecco just come in and reap the rewards after the truly daring little publishers put their asses (and savings) on the line as a labor of love.
Sorry to be such a nag, but this subject hits very close to home with me.
mjp
Founding member
Ayyyeeee, brother! Stop! I surrender!
Your posts are really rubbing me the wrong way, so I will just assume that you're addressing everyone reading this, and not me in particular.
I'm sure you're a swell guy. Good luck!
Hi everyone. We had a really cool Dan Fante-Tony O'Neill reading here in So Cal a while back. I hope some of you were able to attend. For those who weren't there here's a link to a nice review of proceedings.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/general/last-night-underground-literat/
Sorry about taking so long to get this up, but insane busyness and then illness has hit the house of Burning Shore.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/general/last-night-underground-literat/
Sorry about taking so long to get this up, but insane busyness and then illness has hit the house of Burning Shore.
mjp
Founding member
An interesting poetry reading happens about as often as a Clippers winning season...
Ha!
I was never interested in reading Tony O'Neill because that I-was-a-teenage-junkie shtick is tired, and it was never that interesting to begin with. But reading that interview gives me a different take on the guy. I'll definitely pick up some of his work and give it a spin.
Ha!
I was never interested in reading Tony O'Neill because that I-was-a-teenage-junkie shtick is tired, and it was never that interesting to begin with. But reading that interview gives me a different take on the guy. I'll definitely pick up some of his work and give it a spin.
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Hosh
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I agree...I've read only a few things thus far (I just bought his latest novel + a book of poems), but what I've read has something very different than what I'd consider the more typical addiction-schtick. There's seems a real authentic & redemptive undertone to what I've read thus far--& a razor-sharp eye for powerful details...so I'm looking forward to reading the new purchases.
His new broadside from 10pt Press is a really nice piece too...
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LickTheStar
Sad Flower in the Sand
Thanks for the info. Shame to see that Fante's signed on to Harper...
LickTheStar
Sad Flower in the Sand
Well good for him, definitely. A shame if small publishers like Burning Shore and Sun Dog can't publish him any more.
Plus... I really despise Harper. A lot.
Plus... I really despise Harper. A lot.
bospress.net
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Hi,
I agree. Plus, if I know Dan Fante, he will still let the littles publish him. I think that it is a great thing. As much as I loved seeing him on Sun Dog, Harper will give him the kind of distribution that may really break him out.
Bill
I agree. Plus, if I know Dan Fante, he will still let the littles publish him. I think that it is a great thing. As much as I loved seeing him on Sun Dog, Harper will give him the kind of distribution that may really break him out.
Bill
bospress.net
www.bospress.net
The fact is that Dan Fante will not change how he writes or who he is because of this deal. If they accept him and will work around him, then it is them that came to his way or thinking, not him selling out to them, if that makes sense.
If Oprah picks him for her book club, then I'll have to agree, but I do not see that happening. I see him continuing to write the way that he writes and I see them not pushing a heavy editorial hand in the work.
Bill
If Oprah picks him for her book club, then I'll have to agree, but I do not see that happening. I see him continuing to write the way that he writes and I see them not pushing a heavy editorial hand in the work.
Bill
mjp
Founding member
Well, that's the problem with the "you've sold out!" types. If Fante did not change a word - in fact if Oprah chose one of his existing books - the people who enjoyed Fante as a starving cult figure would cry sellout when he became rich, even though he became rich from the very thing they claimed to have loved. You have to suffer for these fuckers. They do not want to see you comfortable or happy. Once your income rises above the poverty level you are a sellout.
Of course I agree with mjp.
Chump Change is translated in Dutch,
I don't think it sold quite well.
But who knows since he has signed on to Harper,
w'll see more Fante books translated in Dutch.
Most of his father's books are translated.
Spread the word. Yeah.
Chump Change is translated in Dutch,
I don't think it sold quite well.
But who knows since he has signed on to Harper,
w'll see more Fante books translated in Dutch.
Most of his father's books are translated.
Spread the word. Yeah.
Hosh
hoshomccreesh.com
If Dante Fante starts selling Hostess Snak-Cakes, shilling for Applebee's or some industrial-strength cleaning products ("Hi friends, I'm Dan Fante, & when people used to vomit in the back of my cab I used...") then we can talk about selling out.
If Dan Fante (or anyone) writes books & then has the nerve to take money from a publisher who wants to publish them--how is that selling out? You're saying it's contingent upon who does the paying? If Press A pays--it's legit; oh, but if press B pays it's selling out?
He's a writer. He wants to write (say, instead of driving a cab or telemarketing). & he wants what he writes to reach people. What's wrong with that?
There's nothing wrong with being paid to do what you love...in fact, isn't that the DREAM?
If Dan Fante (or anyone) writes books & then has the nerve to take money from a publisher who wants to publish them--how is that selling out? You're saying it's contingent upon who does the paying? If Press A pays--it's legit; oh, but if press B pays it's selling out?
He's a writer. He wants to write (say, instead of driving a cab or telemarketing). & he wants what he writes to reach people. What's wrong with that?
There's nothing wrong with being paid to do what you love...in fact, isn't that the DREAM?
hard to tell, aint it? ;) (referring to a previous thread) :)
we all know bukowski "sold out" when he took that $100 a month from martin. i mean, shit, he was so rich he quit his job!!!
yeah, a writer signing on with a big publishing house....what the fuck is he thinking!
do what the rest of us do: shave your head, tattoo your novel on the shaved skull. let "head up yer own arse quarterly" photograph it for an issue that never gets released because the funding falls through.
let your hair grow back, but smile smugly at the people on the bus, because they do not know the brilliance inked on your skull!!
unless you go bald. then you're a twat. and a sellout.
or something.
do what the rest of us do: shave your head, tattoo your novel on the shaved skull. let "head up yer own arse quarterly" photograph it for an issue that never gets released because the funding falls through.
let your hair grow back, but smile smugly at the people on the bus, because they do not know the brilliance inked on your skull!!
unless you go bald. then you're a twat. and a sellout.
or something.
Father Luke
Founding member
Maybe this is the wrong time to mention it, but I have a Television Special being hosted by Amazon.com during the later part of December. On the show will be singing, dancing, and comedians in Tuxedos. I will read one poem.
I hope you all can attend.
I hope you all can attend.
This reminds me of the appearance of Elliott Smith at the oscars in 1998.
They put him in an awful suit and Ellliott asked for a barstool to sit on.
They refused.
Elliott wasn't a tall guy but: [This video is unavailable.]
Yes I am.
I didn't know the Lennon connection. It looks like Elliott borrowed
the suit from a basketball player.
I posted something for you 6 months ago.
https://bukowskiforum.com/showthread.php?p=49270#post49270.
I didn't know the Lennon connection. It looks like Elliott borrowed
the suit from a basketball player.
I posted something for you 6 months ago.
https://bukowskiforum.com/showthread.php?p=49270#post49270.
LickTheStar
Sad Flower in the Sand
I'd like to bump this bad boy up to congratulate Dan on his first Harper published novel "86'd" which appears to be due out around the same time as Buk's new collection, October.
At least, that's what my computer at work tells me. That's all circumstantial until I actually hold the book in my sweaty palms...
Anyone with more info on this? I assume it'll be published on the Ecco imprint. They'd be stupid not to, what with other guys like Vlautin, Bukowski, and his father... and other whatnot on it...
At least, that's what my computer at work tells me. That's all circumstantial until I actually hold the book in my sweaty palms...
Anyone with more info on this? I assume it'll be published on the Ecco imprint. They'd be stupid not to, what with other guys like Vlautin, Bukowski, and his father... and other whatnot on it...
bospress.net
www.bospress.net
It looks like it is coming out on HarperCollins proper.... Very cool.
Bill
Bill