Don't Try!!

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Composer

If I might be so bold as to try to pull together a few wandering threads here... I live in a country that's only 95% Buddhist (and only 1% Xtian, praise Jesus), and they drink, steal, lie, fornicate and do whatever that other precept forbids. The essence of it has nothing to do with religion (Buddhism is essentially atheistic) in the Western sense, but it's pure Buk: The world is what it is, not what we might wish it to be, and happiness comes from understanding that. Don't try. The composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (who died December, 2007, RIP) was influenced by trips to Sri Lanka in the 70's, and began writing music in which the players are instructed not to try, to begin playing only when their mind was clear of musical ideas, and as soon as they found themselves consciously playing, to stop. A little hippy-dippy, but he was onto something (I think). I attended a few of these concerts long ago, and the results were often surprising. Buk's writing was like that. He just lived, and usually the poetry came bubbling up, and he wrote it down. If not, who cared? It almost never seems the result of conscious will, the exceptions being, in my opinion, his writing for money (Notes of a Dirty Old Man, Barfly). A better musical corollary would be Charles Ives, who realized that creating for money was just another kind of prostitution, so he cofounded a life insurance company and became a millionaire, writing four symphonies and 1,000 other works on the weekends, at night, and on the commuter train to New York. When he won a Pulitzer for a String Quartet, he didn't show up to accept it, saying "Prizes are for little biys. I'm grown up now." So if I were giving advice to a young composer wantging to know how to be successful, I'd said "Don't try", because the act of trying will muck it up. Or as Zappa said, "Get a real estate license." By the way, several Indian friends have told me that "All Buddhists are Hindus." Whatever.
 
M

MULLINAX

You can't be objective about Bukowski if you treat his WIDOW as a sacred cow. That's my point. She kept him alive, as everyone always says ad nauseum, but think of all the letters and things that might have been SUPPRESSED because Hank's literary executor is the WIDOW and not John Martin or a disinterested third party like me, or one of you guys, for instance. Anyone who is seriously interested in Bukowski's work would not want any of it to be hidden away or destroyed. What if there's a letter written in say, 1989, to Linda King for instance, in which our man Buk professes his undying love for her? In the hands of someone other than the WIDOW that letter might see the light of day. It would also be tremendously entertaining, giving many people a frisson of excitement. Does anyone know of any material that may have been intentionally 'lost' because some people may have taken a personal dislike to it? On a related note, objectivity is lost if you start trying to curry favour. Guys like me have nothing to do with anyone that Buk knew or consorted with. We have no agenda. All we want are his writings, even the embarrassing stuff, not an invitation to sit on a couch in San Pedro. My next post will be all sunshine and light. I'll try to leave vitriol out of it. Thank you for listening.
 

ROC

It is what it is
You can't be objective about Bukowski if you treat his WIDOW as a sacred cow.

Treating someone with respect and using their name is not treating them as a "sacred cow". And since when is being 'objective' the ideal perspective in any case. Every fool considers his point of view unbiased and thoroughly objective. Think again.

She kept him alive, as everyone always says ad nauseum,

Who is 'everyone' and where are they 'always' saying this?

but think of all the letters and things that might have been SUPPRESSED because Hank's literary executor is the WIDOW and not John Martin or a disinterested third party like me, or one of you guys, for instance.

You mean all those things that might have been suppressed? i.e. things you are not sure exist, may or may not have been hidden from you? Man that's rough.
As for the rest... who could be bothered?

Oh and the Japanese observe both Shinto and Buddhist beliefs. And apparently it's more like 84%... not 99%.
 
M

MULLINAX

I know about the "both Shinto and Buddhist stuff". 70% get married in (mock) Christian ceremonies. About 95% are born 'Shinto style' and 99% are buried 'Buddhist style'. Shintoism has an aversion to death and uncleanliness.

I'm off, as a matter of fact, to a SHRINE right now, to take part in PAGAN CEREMONIES! Forgive me Father Luke.
 

Father Luke

Founding member
I'm off, as a matter of fact, to a SHRINE right now, to take part in PAGAN CEREMONIES! Forgive me Father Luke.

I'm listening to Mexican Music.

Drive safe. . .
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M

MULLINAX

Interesting picture. Fight? Mating ritual? Dancing? Sonoran exchange of greetings? The event that ushers in The Age of Bukowski?
 

mjp

Founding member
You can't be objective about Bukowski if you treat his WIDOW as a sacred cow. That's my point.
That wasn't your point at all. You said in the post what your point was:
What's my point? Westerners idealize Buddhists as some sort of ultra spiritual "with-it" dudes who have figured out what it's all about. They haven't. Not even close.
I guess that was meant to wrap a bow around this nugget of wisdom and insight:
She was into whatever the flavour of the month was. When Christianity becomes cool in Marin County she'll turn to that as well.
But when that statement was shown to be incorrect, you abandoned it to say your point was something else completely.

That kind of slippery "reasoning" makes it hard to take anything you type seriously.
 

Gerard K H Love

Appreciate your friends
Father Luke's photo post #42 MJP in the black shirt.. Mullinax in baby blue shirt goin' down. Now we all know this is for fun.
 

mjp

Founding member
Father Luke's photo post #42 MJP in the black shirt.. Mullinax in baby blue shirt goin' down.
Oh no, you won't find a more courteous driver than me. Want to get in front of me at the last second in a terrifyingly dangerous and incredibly selfish move? Be my guest. I will be glad to slow down and let you in. Yes, please do flip me off at the same time. Thanks! Have a nice day!

Life is way too short to get wound up over driving. And people get wound up here, as I'm sure they do in every big city.
 

Father Luke

Founding member
Road rage may be summed up in one word: Fear

I see mjp as rather fearless.
Hence: no road rage.

Makes sense to me.
 

Gerard K H Love

Appreciate your friends
Fear? I'm afraid no one understood my little inference. I was trying to compare the debate they-Mull. and MJP- were having to the photo. Based on my opinion MJP has the upper hand or fist, like in the photo. This is way to much effort to be kissing ass. I guess I tried.
Don't Try , Mr. Love
 

Father Luke

Founding member
There is something about understanding humor,
and then transcending it to the next point.

I got it, in other words.

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ROC

It is what it is
Well I asked her and she said, "Sometimes he responds too literally without explanation."

So your story checks out....

This time :mad:
 

jordan

lothario speedwagon
I don't take myself seriously, either. That should be obvious.

for some reason, i thought you lived in georgia. that's why i didn't understand how it could be 6PM and you hadn't had your morning coffee yet. when you explained time zones to me, i was still confused, because would have been 3PM in georgia, which is still pretty late not to have had your morning coffee.
 
M

MULLINAX

There are many time zones.

And how could it be 6 in Oakland and 3 in Georgia?

It works the other way around.
 

Gerard K H Love

Appreciate your friends
I don't take myself seriously, either. That should be obvious.
Yes, but we do take you seriously. As a person...as a writer...as a personality on here that many of us appreciate very much.

I'm sorry if you were offended by being compared to the guy in the light blue pants. That looks like something Beetlejuice would do to a man.
 
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