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Bill
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ROC
It is what it is
I'm not sure he knows what he means.
I will assume that road.... sees little craft in buks writing and instead sees Buk as some old fucker constantly shooting his mouth off - ergo we should be tolerant of some guy on this forum shooting his mouth off(?).
Why is it that people with so little to say do so much talking/writing?
Oh, and hello Hannah!
I loved your 'how I came to be in Dallas' story.
Let's celebrate the palindromic among us!
I will assume that road.... sees little craft in buks writing and instead sees Buk as some old fucker constantly shooting his mouth off - ergo we should be tolerant of some guy on this forum shooting his mouth off(?).
Why is it that people with so little to say do so much talking/writing?
Oh, and hello Hannah!
I loved your 'how I came to be in Dallas' story.
Let's celebrate the palindromic among us!
R
roadragermovemove
OK, I'd like clarify something here for you HOLMES! I know what I mean. I don't view HIM as "some old fucker" instead I view him as cult favorite who pushed his way to stardom...he is a man of the people and for that he is should be celebrated. Take it or leave it.
ROC
It is what it is
Stated with your usual flair for hysterical hyperbole.
It's just that I find it hard to decipher the meaning in your shrill posts and self conscious posturing.
Man of the people?
Maybe you should read some more of his work and then come back to me on that one.
Pushed his way to stardom?
You mean wrote his way to stardom?
If it's all the same with you, I think I'll leave it.
It's just that I find it hard to decipher the meaning in your shrill posts and self conscious posturing.
Man of the people?
Maybe you should read some more of his work and then come back to me on that one.
Pushed his way to stardom?
You mean wrote his way to stardom?
If it's all the same with you, I think I'll leave it.
Welcome to the newsgroup. You have an interesting background... and it usually takes awhile to see what works on this newsgroup.
This matter of Bukowski's importance. I know you probably mean well, but I'd say "important" to whom? Most professors in the colleges and universities who try to set the standards of taste for the rest of us? These aren't the people I hang out with nor mostly respect. Henry Miller is also not considered to be an important figure in the history of American literature by the press or the established educational institutions"”he's not normally taught; but other than Hemingway, who had a greater influence on American lit than Miller over the past 70 years? And lately, Bukowski no doubt outsells Miller. So I consider Bukowski a most important figure in American literature, not only because he sells, but for the reason that he's read for the sheer pleasure of it.
I would also add that this productive genius, Bukowski, wrote a greater volume of readable literature than even the great Walt Whitman, who incidentally one must usually get special permission to do special papers on because of his unconventional sexual proclivities (his bisexuality). There's no sense in upsetting the straight-laced students or teachers, is there?
It's just that there are a great deal of readers who are probably 50 to 100 years ahead of the second-rate culture that America has, including what comes out of its universities. In Europe, Bukowski is more respected as a quadruple threat: a genius in the art of the novel, the short story, poetry, and his letters.
The problem is that Bukowski makes it appear so easy to write... so natural... that even his best works are sometimes dismissed as mere "typing" by the incompetents who neither understand him or, worse, themselves. That's the whole point of his writing: that he let it come naturally. But that overall lack of struggle is why he is considered to be unimportant by some of these academic morons who seem to have nothing better to do than to destroy the spirit and wholeness of the writers they study, or these academicians try to superimpose some cockamamie theory on why the writer wrote what he did.
So I say Bukowski will continue to seep into the mainstream over the coming years until his deeply moving insights into life can no longer be denied, and others will be forced to admit to his importance. If an awkward mediocrity like, forgive me, John Berryman can be considered influential, important and make it into the American literature anthologies, there will be no way in hell to keep out or deny the singular importance of a certain Charles Bukowski.
And as far as Bukowski's short stories are concerned, the best place to start is with "The Most Beautiful Woman in Town." It's haunting and flooded with the light of both a tragic and romantic atmosphere. If I'd had this atmospheric story in any one of the anthologies I was forced to read in college, I might have had more respect for some of these over-educated apes known as professors.
"”Poptop.
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grayxray
I would consider most of the professors I had as controlling. They only agreed with you if you agreed with them, and they were always right and you student were stupid if you took a different direction, especially if you were original in thought and challenged the status quo. That's when I started reading buk. I liked the fact that he was different, he shook up the pot. I just can't stand society -- how is life in AZ?
You know, I don't give a shit if Bukowski "seeps" into the "mainstream" of Americana.
Actually, the selfish part of me hopes he never does. But that is just being selfish.
Poptop, I like what you have to say, but I disagree, slightly. Bukowski will never be fully accepted, generally, because he did not write for the masses, or for the liretati. He wrote for himself. And for me, and you.
Screw everyone else. But that's why we're here, isn't it.
Actually, the selfish part of me hopes he never does. But that is just being selfish.
Poptop, I like what you have to say, but I disagree, slightly. Bukowski will never be fully accepted, generally, because he did not write for the masses, or for the liretati. He wrote for himself. And for me, and you.
Screw everyone else. But that's why we're here, isn't it.
hello - poptop - concerning your last missive -
just wanted to stand up for john berryman. dream songs, that is a masterpiece. i think anyway. i did notice that bukowski mentioned berryman in a letter (1972) - shortly after berryman suicided. that may be b.'s only mention ever of him. i would just like to mention john ashberry when it come to worse than mediocre. man, that guys just doesnt do it.
thanks for reading my short rant.
just wanted to stand up for john berryman. dream songs, that is a masterpiece. i think anyway. i did notice that bukowski mentioned berryman in a letter (1972) - shortly after berryman suicided. that may be b.'s only mention ever of him. i would just like to mention john ashberry when it come to worse than mediocre. man, that guys just doesnt do it.
thanks for reading my short rant.
welcome aboard. I'm new myself.
so, do I
I just moved back to Dallas. It's my home town. I just moved back from Swansea, in Wales. I've never liked it here, but after having been in such a gorgeous place, being loved on by such a gorgeous man (withOUT an awful Texas accent, which I thankfully do not have!), I hate it even more.