If I may (?)

[ROC]

So how the F do they know what happened if they are in the basement?
Did they run outside check for planes-no planes-then return to the basement?

They reported explosions in the basement they were in. Some people died and others were horribly injured. There was no need to run outside to check for planes as, according to the statement by Rodriquez, the plane hitting the tower he was in was noted as an explosion of a different kind - much further away.

Crikey I like black helicopters as much as the next guy but this stuff is beyond all logic...Is Bin Laden bragging about the act part of the conspiracy?

Have a look at what the authorities claim to be Bin Ladens confession tape and compare the person who appears with pictures of Bin Laden. For one thing the person confessing is seen writing and eating with his right hand. According to CIA files, Bin Laden is left handed.
Besides which, it's an entirely different face!

What if the planes missed? Those explosions would look pretty stupid.... even from the basement.

I don't know what you mean by this but, to be fair, I don't think you do either.

And what a great plan, get Sauidi nationals to live in Germany send emails back and forth then get on planes then crash into the pentagon strange how that conspiracy element is always missed. The Pentagon was hit. Get it.
Wheres a grassy knoll when you need one

No one (as far as I am aware) disputes that the Pentagon was hit.
What is in dispute is that the two massive engines from the aircraft were vaporised by the impact, explosion and subsequent fire. This has never occurred in the entire history of aviation. But it is claimed to have occurred in both this case and in Pennsylvania.

Grassy knolls or whatever analogy you like. You should at least try to think things through for yourself.

 

[chronic]

To stray (just a little) from the topic, a couple of links:

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/077 - a good new interview with Naomi Wolf on what's going on in America at the moment

and

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm - an older, but pertinent, article by Laurence Britt on 14 characteristics of fascism.

Now... no more politics from me on bukowski.net.

 

[ROC]

And this...

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Hermann Goering 1945

Remind you of anything?

 

[zoom man]

Remind you of anything?

And I bet you also believe we never landed on the moon.....
OK, whatever,....

What's you're newest (next) revelation?...

Actually,
You know what?,

Never mind,

I think the National Enquirer is still in publication.
I'll catch up there
On all the 'news' that's fit to print

 

[ROC]

Wow. Thank you zoom man for the personal attack and snide insults. It's good to see that a reasonable and civil discussion can take place here.

The Goering quote is a matter of historical record and his comments do remind me of the current US administrations approach. I am expressing a personal opinion. So what that has to do with the moon landing or 'revelations' is beyond me.
What I do notice is a desire to erect straw men with silly hats and then knock them down while laughing at their foolish attire.

I posted this mostly to see what the reaction would be from those in the USA.
On the balance of things, I would characterise that reaction as irrational fear.
Without discussing the issue or any of the facts you (zoom man) just react with hostility and small mindedness.

It's a shame you don't grant yourself the freedom your leaders so often boast about.

But at least we're getting into it now.

PS - I do believe that we landed on the moon - I can never figure out why there are no stars in those photos though :confused:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

 

[Father Luke]

Wow. Thank you zoom man for the personal attack and snide insults. It's good to see that a reasonable and civil discussion can take place here.

Sarcasm.

The Goering quote is a matter of historical record and his comments do remind me of the current US administrations approach. I am expressing a personal opinion. So what that has to do with the moon landing or 'revelations' is beyond me.

T h i m k

What I do notice is a desire to erect straw men with silly hats and then knock them down while laughing at their foolish attire.

I posted this mostly to see what the reaction would be from those in the USA.

My experience is that you wanted opinions on a particular video.

On the balance of things, I would characterise that reaction as irrational fear.
Without discussing the issue

The issue of 911 is a tender subject for Americans. Strike that. The
issuse of 911 is a tender subject for this American.

But that was not what was being presented for discussion. One particular
video was presented for discussion.

or any of the facts you (zoom man) just react with hostility and small mindedness.

Fans of irony take note.

It's a shame you don't grant yourself the freedom your leaders so often boast about.

But at least we're getting into it now.

PS - I do believe that we landed on the moon - I can never figure out why there are no stars in those photos though :confused:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

The moon shot was an awesome achievement.

 

[Short Bus]

2 cents at par

I posted this mostly to see what the reaction would be from those in the USA.
On the balance of things, I would characterise that reaction as irrational fear.
Without discussing the issue or any of the facts you (zoom man) just react with hostility and small mindedness.


So if we disagree, we are small minded-great defense-have you been to the University of Columbia too?

What is so ridiculous is the way you only pick and choose facts that support your theory.

Red Herring-Goering The quote while interesting is not proof of anything.

Here is a link I think you might enjoy http://memorial.fire-hero.com/
They have a few opinions on the theory too.

 

[ROC]

I don't have a theory Jimmy Snerp.
But I do have real suspicions about the official explanation of events.

And you didn't 'disagree' with anything.
I requested you watch the videos on Youtube and post comments.
I'm curious... did you watch the videos or did you already know how you felt about the whole issue?
And Jimmy Snerp, I would not use the word 'we' in regards small mindedness... I was referring specifically to you and zoom man.
The Goering quote was not 'proof' of anything - correct. It was never intended to be.
It relates to the Naomi Wolf article that chronic linked to. But you didn't read that either. Why bother when you already have all the info you need, right?

Yes Father Luke, sarcasm. Don't be scared. It wont hurt you.

Father Luke - you remind me of the Jewish lady who I called racist because of derogatory comments she made to me about Arabs. She claimed that it was impossible for her to be racist because she was a jew.
You are American so the 9/11 tragedy is a tender subject for you. So what... you get upset when others want to discuss it? I don't understand your position.
It strikes me as a particular kind of pretentiousness that writes "strike that" but does not strike that - instead leaving it in for what? Literary effect?

So far, very few have responded with comments on the videos in question. It just seems to easy to do what zoom and Jimmy Snerp have done.

What happened on that day was fucking awful.
I'm curious how some of you believe you have all the info you need to move on.

Oh, and what the hell is t h i m k ?

 

[Short Bus]

I did watch the video's I did read the thread I just won't drink your kool Aid.

And its not about aving information we need and move on what your presenting here isn't information it's fantasy-well constructed fantasy but still nonsense.
It stinks of Dim Sum logic.
Again I'm not American so I don't have that partriotic get upset button to the point of irrationality but I do respect logic and for lack of a better word "clear thinking".
If you want to discuss air quality after the towers fell then I think thats an important issue.
Show me proof not conjecture any proof that supports this tripe-and while you're at it give my regards to your friends at Roswell.

Perhaps this site is best for you Roc-http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18
There are more, many many more

 

[mjp]

"Oh, no! It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast."
- King Kong (1933)









Maybe now is a good time to stop, so we can avoid a bukowski.net jihad.