Jazz music

We played with James Chance and the Contortions back in '80 or '81 and I'm pretty sure you could call that punk jazz (if you had to classify it). All that NO WAVE/NO NEW YORK noise stuff was reaching its peak at the time.

That's who I thought of first when I saw punk jazz (and by the I think Gerard Love is punk jazz). But really they were funk-punk-jazz?

I heard some naughty stories about that band, MJP (who I think, is Sea Chanteys salsa) what were you're dealings with that band?
 

mjp

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I heard some naughty stories about that band, MJP (who I think, is Sea Chanteys salsa) what were you're dealings with that band?
My dealings with them were minimal. We opened for them somewhere in Chicago, so maybe they were on good behavior being away from home. But really didn't speak to them much except about gear geek shit ("Is that an Electro Harmonix flanger? Where the hell did you get it?!"). Mr. Chance was extremely normal, calm and friendly. Until he got on stage and started slapping himself and hitting cymbals with his forehead...

Sometimes - most times - the other bands we played with were cool (with one notable exception), whether we were opening or they were. It was like we were all in the same music industry garbage can, no one was making any money, so we might as well have a laugh.
 
I'm a big jazz fan. I go all the way back. I have hundreds of old 78rpm recordings and I particularly like British 1930's dance hall jazz bands and Duke Ellington.

And of course I like the classics - Miles, Coltrane, Ella, Monk and all those guys. Some of the west coast stuff (Chet, Brubeck, etc), too.

I'm currently listening to a lot of ECM stuff. I saw Dave Holland the other night and I'm really into Eberhard Weber. Totally underrated, but his albums of the 70's are incredible.
 

mjp

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Wouldn't the big band/dancehall jazz be the "classics" and all those meandering heroin space noodlers the brash upstarts - the punks of jazz? Or maybe Dixieland would be classic jazz...I don't know. I think all that stuff is kinda punk. It's real "fuck you, this is how we're going to do it" music (especially the space noodlers), so I respect that.

I guess "classic" doesn't mean first. If it did, "classic rock" radio stations would be playing old blues singers.
 
The term "classic jazz" may derive partly from our friends in the music industry. Many of the smaller and medium-sized old 1950's jazz labels like Contemporary, Riverside, Debut and Prestige were lumped together under the title of Original Jazz Classics.

This aside, I would consider Monk, Mingus, Coltrane, Miles, et al. to be "classic." Miles was also quite punk. Often played with his back to the audience.

Monk too. There's a rather funny (to me) scene in Straight, No Chaser where Charlie Rouse is asking Monk if he wants a b9, a #9 or a natural 9 over a particular chord, and Monk says something like "it doesn't matter; any one of 'em."

Mingus allegedly once ripped the front door off the Village Vanguard and threw it down the stairs at the owner because he wouldn't give Mingus an advance to play the club.

When Coltrane kicked the junk in 1957, he started drinking wine and milk, which is actually just rather messed up as opposed to punk.
 

hoochmonkey9

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Miles was definitely punk.

he would also wander offstage when other muscians were taking solos.

although, I was a bit surprised in 1990 when I saw him at Newport. he was friendly and affable. he would pause at the front of the stage and "pose" for pics even though cameras were not really allowed during his show.

at one point, a plane was flying overhead at a low altitude making a fair bit of noise and Miles kept playing while taking a hand off the trumpet to wave at the airplane. when the same thing happenned to Gerry Mulligan earlier in ther day, Mulligan stopped playing and glared at the plane. oddly, the plane payed no attention to him.
 
Isn't all music/art that changes the status quo, that finds new directions and finds itself being opposed by reactionaries, 'punk'?

early jazz was punk; bebop was punk; rock n roll was punk; early blues was punk; Stravinsky was punk.
oh, yes, and punk was punk.



All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
- Arthur Schopenhauer
 
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