John Martin - Wiki
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bospress.net
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Wikipedia is a joke. John Martin is known more than a webpage would provide. I think that setting up a webpage woud not be a bad idea, but think that he can get no better exposure than the books that he edited and published...
Bil
Bil
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
Amen!
mjp
Founding member
Huh?
bospress.net
www.bospress.net
Good! If this is true, it will be the beginning of the end for Wikipedia. Nothing better than petty, power hungry people (people that think that they have power) with nothing better to do than update entries, especially when they don't know everything about everything.
Expect the Bukowski entry to soon read:
Charles H. Bukowski was the writer of the movie's (sic) Barfly and Factotum. He came from nowhere in 1987 with his first hollywood script that was co-written by Mickey Rourke. After Barfly was a critical success, but a commercial failure, "Chuckie" as he was known to his friends, quit writing all together, having only been a writer for a few years.
Bill
Expect the Bukowski entry to soon read:
Charles H. Bukowski was the writer of the movie's (sic) Barfly and Factotum. He came from nowhere in 1987 with his first hollywood script that was co-written by Mickey Rourke. After Barfly was a critical success, but a commercial failure, "Chuckie" as he was known to his friends, quit writing all together, having only been a writer for a few years.
Bill
Father Luke
Founding member
Good one Bill.
mjp
Founding member
That's not the case. You might be thinking of some controversial articles that are commonly vandalized - they lock some of them down. But anyone can create or edit at wikipedia. That will never change because that's what a wiki is. The day they close it to everyone, it will die.
So yeah, hurry up and close it to everyone. Die already, piece of shit.
bospress.net
www.bospress.net
In this case it is a matter of no one taking the ball and running. MY hatred of Wikipedia is that an article that I was involved in creating was flagged by one of their wiki-douches as he felt that the group was not significant enough based on HIS understanding. Of course, this is the same guy that creates and nourishes articles about obscure magicians that ony a handful of people know about.
It (Wikipedia) allows people that are considered their "Editors" to push thier agendas making the whole idea of an encyclopaedia laughable as it is changed based on what the editor wants it to say. The higher up the ladder they go, the more chance that their viewpoint will stay.
Bill
It (Wikipedia) allows people that are considered their "Editors" to push thier agendas making the whole idea of an encyclopaedia laughable as it is changed based on what the editor wants it to say. The higher up the ladder they go, the more chance that their viewpoint will stay.
Bill
Father Luke
Founding member
mjp
Founding member
Luckily, though anyone can contribute, it is still actually run by a small group and the group constantly needs money, and people are fickle, so I hold out hope for eventual wikipedia's demise. Many huge internet sites have bit the dust, and wikipedia would look nice on that list.
Those of you who dislike wikipedia will just love this site:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
It was created, apparently, to set the record straight on all the devil-worshipping scientific mistruths on wikipedia. Just think, now we can walk around with both sides of an issue misrepresented in our heads. Just ducky.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
It was created, apparently, to set the record straight on all the devil-worshipping scientific mistruths on wikipedia. Just think, now we can walk around with both sides of an issue misrepresented in our heads. Just ducky.
Here's another: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
I agree, I guess it is down to someone simply not applying themselves to the task, yet.
I'd just had a few beers the other night and was trying to start a fight, that's all ;)
I agree, I guess it is down to someone simply not applying themselves to the task, yet.
I'd just had a few beers the other night and was trying to start a fight, that's all ;)
ROC
It is what it is
Oh great, they have a daily bible verse on their home page and state that the American civil war was "the worst war ever fought by the U.S.".
Not a civil war really and "worst".
No help there then...
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
Wikipedia is bullshit. I know a film producer who kept trying to update an article on an author who she had just made a small bio pic of (not yet released.) The Wiki gurus WHO KNOW DIDDLY ABOUT THIS AUTHOR kept deleting the material she had added, which included, among other things, an innocent link to her film site (not hype about it). I've heard a bunch of stories like that. Geeks who think they are the ultimate judge on every subject. Hope it dies soon.
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
Did Bukowski really respect Martin that much? He needed him, sure, but did he think that highly of him as a person? I'm not doubting it, just wondering. As a business man, sure, but beyond that?
mjp
Founding member
The relationship between Bukowski and Martin would make an interesting book. A collection or analysis of their correspondence. You can see in many of Bukowski's letters that he tiptoed around Martin most of the time, when not kissing his ass outright. I don't know if Martin needed that or Bukowski was just insecure, but their relationship was unlike any other relationship in his life.
He knew which side his bread was buttered on, and he was thankful for Black Sparrow, but you could tell that he often bit his tongue when he would have let anyone else have it. After he started seeing more income from non-Black Sparrow royalties did you see him question Martin more frequently. Even then, though, it was mild compared to how he could be with others.
He was usually polite to the Webb's (and other publishers too) in letters to them, even when he was angry or frustrated with them. But he complained about them to others, which he didn't do very often where Martin was concerned.
This is just a top-of-the-head read based on what I remember from letters. But a collection of all their correspondence would be very interesting to read. And probably disprove everything I just typed, who knows.
He knew which side his bread was buttered on, and he was thankful for Black Sparrow, but you could tell that he often bit his tongue when he would have let anyone else have it. After he started seeing more income from non-Black Sparrow royalties did you see him question Martin more frequently. Even then, though, it was mild compared to how he could be with others.
He was usually polite to the Webb's (and other publishers too) in letters to them, even when he was angry or frustrated with them. But he complained about them to others, which he didn't do very often where Martin was concerned.
This is just a top-of-the-head read based on what I remember from letters. But a collection of all their correspondence would be very interesting to read. And probably disprove everything I just typed, who knows.
cirerita
Founding member
In a few unpublished letters addressed to friends -Winans?- B. did put Martin down. And he complained to Martin in their correspondence, though in mild terms. But you have a very valid point there: B. never had VERY harsh words for those ones -the Webbs, Martin, Weissner, etc- he felt would be or might be a good source of income.
in 'Living on Luck', p.260 (letter to Locklin, March 15, 1979) he's complaining A LOT about Martins reworking 'Women'.
("Shit, man. I guess he thinks I can't write. [...] it goes on and on." etc)
in 'Living on Luck', p.259 (letter to Weissner, January 2, 1979) he complains about the same issue. He even offers Weissner some of the chapters, that Martin had thrown out. And in fact, the German edition is based on Buks older manuscript than that was published at BSP.
("Shit, man. I guess he thinks I can't write. [...] it goes on and on." etc)
in 'Living on Luck', p.259 (letter to Weissner, January 2, 1979) he complains about the same issue. He even offers Weissner some of the chapters, that Martin had thrown out. And in fact, the German edition is based on Buks older manuscript than that was published at BSP.
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
That's interesting, Roni! What are the differences between the English edition and the German? Extra chapters maybe?
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