Justin Hyde ...

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As far as "introducing" myself, and letting everyone know how much I admire Charles Bukowski, visiting a thread such as this speaks for itself, doesn't it?
Lucinda,
How did you just happen to find this thread in a forum with hundreds of threads and just happen to have read the book in question? It is all just too curious... If you were sent here on a blog or forum fine, but it should be noted. If you were shown this link by someone pushing my hyde's book, fine, but it should be mentioned.

Otherwise it certainly gives the appearance that you were send here to shill for the author or publisher.

And if everything else that you are reading is stale and bland then you need to look deeper. There are many damn good young poets writing out there. Many of them, like mr hyde, remain completely unknown to the poetry world and relatively unknown to the small press.

Bill
 
I agree that I need to look deeper to find interesting stuff to read. I heard about the Hyde book from this thread. I was surfing around, reading the forums, and the thread title "The Next Bukowski" grabbed me. So I ordered the book, thinking, "this is going to be yet another dreadful Bukowski impersonation" and was really quite pleasantly surprised.

It's embarassing for me that Bukowski is the only poet I can stand to read. thank god he was so prolific!

Can you recommend any other contemporary poets? I was thinking about subscribing to The NY Quarterly, to get an idea of what's being written, NOW, but I'm not sure if that's a good mag or not....
 

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Can you recommend any other contemporary poets? I was thinking about subscribing to The NY Quarterly, to get an idea of what's being written, NOW, but I'm not sure if that's a good mag or not....

There are some great ones that I can mention. They all have their own voice and although they have read Bukowski, they do not write like him or about the stereotypical booze, women, racetracks, etc... The only comparison to Bukowski is that they write what they KNOW and now what they think that they should write.

Those that immediately pop up are:

justin.barrett
Christopher Cunningham
Hosho McCreesh
Father Luke
David Barker

That being said, I have published all five, so I'm not trying to push my books on anyone (and want to disclose that I would push them even if I had not published them, but that would beg the question, if I liked their writing why would I NOT publish them?). They have also been published by other presses and those books are VERY worth it. Plus, I'm all sold out of Father Luke, David Barker and Christopher Cunningham anyway.

The GPP site is great because is lets you read the 44 or so broadsides that we have published and that will give you a great sampling of these poets and others.

My point being that there are a bunch of very talented entertaining poets that are writing today in their own voice.

A couple other websites:

www.justinbarrett.com
www.fatherluke.com

Both of these talented writers put a lot of their writing on the site and make it available for anyone that cares to read it free of charge.

Best,
Bill
 
I can vouch for the Bill's recommendation of Father Luke and David Barker, but I haven't read the other writers he mentioned. I'm also a fan of Tom Clark. He's another Black Sparrow poet.
 
Anyway, looking for the "next Bukowski" implies trying to replace him, and that's a pointless effort. The next Bukowski will not write the way Bukowski did, or the way Justin Hyde does. The next Bukowski will not fit in to the current accepted literary standards. Most of us will not enjoy - or be tolerant of - his or her work. It will certainly not read like anything around today.

And the author will not bother trying to build their own personal Bukowski-lite myth, the way that so many imitators do. They will create something new, and that's what will make them the next Bukowski.


completely agree.
 
Thanks for the recommendations. I haven't heard of any of them, but then, that's really no surprise.

It's gotten so bad, as far as books, that when I walk into my local chain bookstore, I feel kind of sick. The titles, the cover art - all geared toward selling the damn thing.
 

mjp

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...when I walk into my local chain bookstore, I feel kind of sick.
Well there's your problem. You are looking for needles in haystacks.

If you live within 50 miles of one of the 3 or 4 independent bookstores left in the world you should use them. Otherwise, the internet is the best bet. When you find a poet you like, ask them who they like. Within a week you'll have all you can read and more.
 

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Yes, great idea. I found almost every poet that I love by seeing who other poets read. I'm not talking about Bukowsk specifically. In the small press, I'd run into an amazing poet and they would say "Have you read XXXXX?" He is great! Then I'd get an e-mail from XXXX with amazing poems....

The big stores not a complete waste of time, but you can find great poets by looking in the small press.

Bill
 

Gerard K H Love

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I can vouch for the Bill's recommendation of Father Luke and David Barker, but I haven't read the other writers he mentioned. I'm also a fan of Tom Clark. He's another Black Sparrow poet.

Lucinda;
How nice of you to stop by. I can vouch for Purple's above as well as Justin Barrett and Michael Phillips. I read Justin Hyde and I liked what I read, but I like the others mentioned perhaps a little more.
Maybe Justin Hyde can be the next Justin Barrett. ;)
 
Well there's your problem. You are looking for needles in haystacks.

If you live within 50 miles of one of the 3 or 4 independent bookstores left in the world you should use them. Otherwise, the internet is the best bet. When you find a poet you like, ask them who they like. Within a week you'll have all you can read and more.

There isn't even a Barnes and Noble in my town. There's a Books-A-Million and a Walden books......

I went to the Guerilla Poetics Projcect website and really liked it. The broadsides were wonderful, the whole idea of it is wonderful.....as soon as I have the 25 bucks to join I'm going to. I also visited the FatherLuke website and enjoyed his stuff as well.

It seems there is a whole teeming subculture of poetry that I knew nothing about. Bukowksi, however, is still king....

Thanks for the recommendations.
 
Well......

Fucking, utterly fantastic!
Sublime..... and succinct!

Father Luke said:
"What strikes me is that Bukowski broke open
everything he knew about what poetry was, and
made it his own. He made poetry something he
wanted to read.

Bukowski was an innovator. He knew his field, and
he stepped up, and walked to the front of the line with a:

Here I am. I will be counted among you fuckers.

Not many have that. Not many have the ability to
transcend their history. He had that. He knew his
history. He knew who those fuckers were. He'd
read them, he'd studied them.

And, eventually, he knew himself as among them.
History has given him a place, I believe, for his innovation,
and his clear voice. It came with quite a price. "
That's it! I can go and die now.... Switch off the lights...
That's all, everything I needed to know.

I've never ever read anything as simple yet dynamic as that assessment of my all time favorite poet- novelist.
 

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I recommend Michael Phillips.

me too.
I have 2 of his books and I like both.
I prefer Riding Out the Dumb Silence, but I have a feeling he does also.
I look forward to his next book, which I hear is a music-centric memoir, which is right up my alley.
 

Ponder

"So fuck Doubleday Doran"
RIP
I look forward to his next book, which I hear is a music-centric memoir, which is right up my alley.

I have no clue when his next book or whatever it is comes out.
In a month or 6 weeks, or in october or next year w're able to read some of his unpublished poems. Isn't it annoying that those publishers & editors & their need for unpublished pomes?
Sometimes I feel blessed I don't write poems at the moment.
 

hank solo

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one step removed - by Charles Bukowski

I knew a lady who once lived with Hemingway.
I knew a lady who claimed to have screwed Ezra Pound.
Sartre invited me to visit him in Paris but I was too stupid to
accept.
Caresse Crosby of Black Sun Press wrote me from Italy.
Henry Miller's son wrote that I was a better writer than his
father.
I drank wine with John Fante.
but none of this matters at all except in a romantic sort of
way.
some day they'll be talking about me:
"Chinaski wrote me a letter."
"I saw Chinaski at the racetrack."
"I watched Chinaski wash his car."
all absolute nonsense.
meanwhile, some wild-eyed young man
alone and unknown in a room
will be writing things that will make you forget
everybody else
except maybe the young man to
follow after
him.
 

Hosh

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I agree with many of the names of the undiscovered poets mentioned here. Try Bottle of Smoke Press, sunnyoutside press, Centennial Press, & Kendra Steiner Editions--you'll find something to read, no doubt about it.

But there are some more folks who also bear mentioning: Doug Draime, Anne Menebroker, William Taylor, Jr., Brian McGettrick, Richard Krech, Naomi Shabib Nye, David Barker, Caset Rearick, Ed Galing, Albert Huffstickler, Michael Kreisel, Luis Berriozabal, Winans, Locklin, Antler, Charles Nevismal, Adrian Manning, Kat Paul Flannagan...all of these people (& some I am forgetting I am sure) have written poems I love & re-read trying to unlock their magic. The micropress is brimming with great stuff--you just have to know where to look.

& if Justin Hyde is -or- isn't the "next Bukowski," I will say that DOWN WHERE THE HUMMINGBIRD GOES TO DIE is a pretty damn good book, & a nice production as well. The cover art is sublime.

Lucinda--hopefully you find some things to read from these folks. I think they're all great writers.
 
Hey hank solo, Thanx for posting that poem, I loved it from the first time I read it! It has a real way of putting poetry in it's place... 'all absolute nonesense' indeed! God, Bukowski really did know what he was doing! God bless em'!! CRB
 
Yes, but you have to admit, The Tasty Bukowskis would be a hell of a name for a rock band ...

as bukowski said of sartre's line about hell,
"right on
and through the bull's eye"

(did sartre really even say that?
or was it only one of his characters?)

just now it occurs to me to go one further:
we are
The Tasty Bukowskis

totally off the subject, i'll come right out and admit
to reading my uncle walt lately.
the man has a way with nesting parentheses in poems
that i don't see every day
cf the song of myself

and lastly i've got to ask it:
did buk read his big brother walt?
or better yet,
how?

an interesting poet with an audience to please, we need
more pleasure in the world and maybe then we'll stop the bleeding, shit
the ravings of the critics kill whatever magic might be hidden
deep within the bowels of this culture, now bed-ridden
 

Lolita Twist

Rose-hustler
I would be interested to hear what people here at bukowski.net have to say about this:

http://www.outsiderwriters.org/content/view/690/1/

Especially those who have read his work.

The work I've read of Hyde's appears on the page in the link. He's good, yes. But, I don't think people should ever call anyone "the next this or that". I really don't see the point of it. If you want to praise them, praise them. Saying they're the next someone is just unoriginal - no writer who thinks anything of himself should want to be the next anyone, they'd simply want to be themselves, no? What made Buk so special, to me and for me, was that there was nothing like him. There were similarities in caliber, like Runyon who wrote about gambling degenerates and drunks in a way that put cunning linguists to shame, or like HST who seemed to just not give a fuck about conventional society... but the styles of great men differ greatly, and that's what makes them great.
 
Not The next Buk..... 'Cos its a lady and she's English.....
But she's good its by Catherine Smith:

REQUEST

Send me your bed, but please, don't change the sheets.
Pay two strong men to load it on a van,
and drive it through the rain at one a.m.
I'll be awake, I need to search for stains;
let me caress your pillow, let me find
shed hairs, and place them on my tongue.
Then I'll lie back and, parting my damp legs,
remember you and me as we made love-

one last time - one last and perfect time,
We're better off apart - you, streets away,
mapping another's skin. Stay where you are
while what I'll touch is soiled. If you are kind
I'll ask for nothing more. Do this one thing.
I haven't slept for weeks. Send me your bed.

BY CATHERINE SMITH
 
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I knew a lady who once lived with Hemingway.
I knew a lady who claimed to have screwed Ezra Pound.
Sartre invited me to visit him in Paris but I was too stupid to
accept.
Caresse Crosby of Black Sun Press wrote me from Italy.
Henry Miller's son wrote that I was a better writer than his
father.
I drank wine with John Fante.
but none of this matters at all except in a romantic sort of
way.
some day they'll be talking about me:
"Chinaski wrote me a letter."
"I saw Chinaski at the racetrack."
"I watched Chinaski wash his car."
all absolute nonsense.
meanwhile, some wild-eyed young man
alone and unknown in a room
will be writing things that will make you forget
everybody else
except maybe the young man to
follow after
him.

"i watched chinaski wash his car." ha!!!

spot on! thanks buk. and hank solo for reminding me how great he was...
 
Nice, nice piece by Ms. Smith. Thanks for posting, Corndog, I enjoyed it tremendously. Is she well-known in the U.K.?

She's not too well known... But has a couple of books out:
'The Butcher's Hands' and 'Lip'
I also like Jean Sprackland, an odd name but she's a good poet also:

Shadow photographs

On the run from our own faces,
but wanting to capture
the oddness of our conjunction,
we photographed our shadow:
a dark double figure on sand
the negative we were together.


Earlier that day
he parked on the beach and parted my thighs,
the first to try and define me with his tongue.
He was not the one, it was all wrong.
I struggled against the seatbelt
and my damp, bunched skirt,
making to pull away, kick the door open,
scramble out into the sunlight

but suddenly loosened into stillness
by that silvery flickering,
the new low sound of my voice,
the sweetness leaking from me where he drank.

We intercepted light, we were
a region unreached by it.
This is the ghost of us,
a counterfeit holiday snap:
my head on his shoulder, some blown hair
like a dark flame.

By Jean Sprackland
:):):)
 
Wow! Finally, someone mentions a poet who is not American, at the risk of sounding xenophobic in the Hilterite extreme, and alienating myself even moree on this site, THANK FUCK FOR THAT!

The next Bukwoski - NOT an American?

She may not be Bukowski, nor would she want to be perhaps, but this poetess from Edinburgh stirkes me as SHITHOT: Claire Askew. Here are two examples of her poeyums:

Built in

I am still in here, despite the siege. Still here,
behind the maze of scaffolding and duckboards -
business almost as usual, though I daren't leave.

I watch the men through the drawn blind like TV,
as they paint over the rotting window frames,
drink tea from flasks, sandblast, dig up pipes outside.

I keep the windows locked, just in case - paranoid,
I hide the jewellery box. On cold days, they slither
about on the slats, four floors up - a precarious ballet.

Some nights, I like to haul myself through
the wet window with a steaming cup, and sway
on the scaffold, scaring myself. I can choose -

to look out over the rainy slates, streetlights, the stretch
of council yards, or plunge. (Cobbles wink in the alley
below, its discarded mattress a festering fall-breaker.)

But it will be gone soon, this crows' nest, climbing-frame
for drunks, this cage. They will come in the morning,
wake me early, and pack it away, whistling.

Under South Bridge

This is just one arch in an army
of many. Arthritic old lady of Edinburgh -
hunched over Cowgate, back bent
like a book-spine, like a toughened bow;
a sudden gap in the city's slack smile.

A bus swings through her like the tongue
of a bell, flinging peals of pigeons
into the cool air. A busker harvests her echo,
this bridge of sighs - slouching at the edge
of her boat-hull-black roar.

Stand in her rushing yawn yourself, or slide
between her jawbones in the tarmac's tread.
Graffiti - like a sandstone tattoo - taints
the upturned dish of dark: Fuck Westminster.
Jambos forever! SCOTIA! Poles Go Home.
-I think they are Quality poems.
 
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