Linda Bukowski on MySpace? Plus; P Howard/Bon't try/BOSP/jazz...
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Damn FL, your beard is thicker than a sixteen year old 'ho wearing a blacksmith's apron. ;)
I think the best part of Myspace, in my humble opinion, is that it has given a voice to those in our families that wouldn't have one. It's about the four legged, well for the most part, beings that make us smile. (not to forget those that have claws, fins and suckers)
heehee:D
good one Father Luke......
hold on I'm still laughing....:D
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
Bill: selling used books to a shop has to be one of the worse experiences on earth. I've done it hundreds of times and only had maybe one or two times where I didn't walk away feeling worthless and disgusted with myself. Book dealers have a weird irrational hatred for bookscouts especially and for anyone bringing them books in general. Why, I have no idea, but I see it all the time. On Red, I wasn't thrown out of his store, but I did walk out telling him to go fuck himself. I bought once or twice there, knew what I was looking at, treated him with respect, and he was cold and unfriendly. That last time I brought my wife and our two well-behaved little girls, and he came unglued and wanted them (the kids) on leashes or something. They were quiet and didn't touch a thing but he kept mentioning how they must be "very very quiet." I finally got fed up and told him off. It was highly satisfying. The man is not a hero to me. Maybe if I was an actor or whatever, it would have been different. I can picture you standing there, squirming, selling your books. What an image.
bospress.net
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I'll let Jordan describe it. I was looking at it from the inside of my eyeballs. Jordan got a great view of the whole thing. I'll let him tell the story and Jordan, hold no punches. I know that it looked very, very bad. Frankly, I thought that it was funny after I had time to calm down, go to the bathroom and throw away my underwear....
Bill
Bill
jordan
lothario speedwagon
honestly bill, it wasn't as bad looking on as it must have been in your head. i have tried to sell books to peter before, not realizing he's mr. important in the used book world. he told me i must be out of my mind to offer him the price i was asking, and acted like he wasn't buying them out of respect for me.
he did give bill a good interrogation about the signed edition of bottle and how easy it would be to forge, and bill was clearly made nervous by his attitude (which isn't really mean spirited as much as it's just really self satisfied and blunt), but i think he (peter) clearly respected him. for instance, bill gave him a copy of SA Griffin's Hope is Hip broadside, and peter reciprocated by giving bill a nicely printed copy of an article he'd written about a famous book collector. i was talking to jeff maser about it, and jeff said that peter doesn't really have a "nice" mode, although he makes gestures (like giving bill the article) that suggest that he might be.
also, peter's reasons for not buying the books weren't total bullshit (at least they weren't in my mind), which made the whole situation seem better to me. it would have been worse if the sweat of bill's fingers got passed off with some bullshit thing about poetry not being popular or whatever, but he seemed to make sense, even if it was snide sense.
so, that's my account- a defense of bill first and foremost, who took it in stride and handled himself better than 95% of people who probably try to sell books there. when bill said, "wow, that was like a job interview," that summed it up pretty well.
he did give bill a good interrogation about the signed edition of bottle and how easy it would be to forge, and bill was clearly made nervous by his attitude (which isn't really mean spirited as much as it's just really self satisfied and blunt), but i think he (peter) clearly respected him. for instance, bill gave him a copy of SA Griffin's Hope is Hip broadside, and peter reciprocated by giving bill a nicely printed copy of an article he'd written about a famous book collector. i was talking to jeff maser about it, and jeff said that peter doesn't really have a "nice" mode, although he makes gestures (like giving bill the article) that suggest that he might be.
also, peter's reasons for not buying the books weren't total bullshit (at least they weren't in my mind), which made the whole situation seem better to me. it would have been worse if the sweat of bill's fingers got passed off with some bullshit thing about poetry not being popular or whatever, but he seemed to make sense, even if it was snide sense.
so, that's my account- a defense of bill first and foremost, who took it in stride and handled himself better than 95% of people who probably try to sell books there. when bill said, "wow, that was like a job interview," that summed it up pretty well.
Does Father Tom know Father Ted below?
Father Luke
Founding member
Anyone who knows Father Ted knows Father Jack ;)
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
So, to clarify, Bill: were you selling your own BOSP titles, or used/rare books? And was it a sale of convenience, or one of desperation? The more you need the money, the worse a book buyer is likely to treat you. They can smell the fear, the need, and they have no respect for it. If you're rich and don't need the money, then they think you're a swell person, a jolly fellow. It's a sick business.
Oops -- didn't see Jordan's post. Okay, Bill was selling BOSP stuff. That's probably going to get him treated better by the average dealer than if he was some shmoe with a box full of used books.
Oops -- didn't see Jordan's post. Okay, Bill was selling BOSP stuff. That's probably going to get him treated better by the average dealer than if he was some shmoe with a box full of used books.
bospress.net
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Not if you are as poor of a salesman as I am. I never seem to sell books EVER. I spend all of this time making the books (and they sell well via the internet), but if you judge by the pitiful response that I get from the bookstores and poetry fans in person, then you could conclude that I am completely wasting my time. I truck them around to these readings in Cleveland & California, usually selling between $5 and $25 worth of books.
Poetry is a tough sell, indeed...
Bill
vodka
Miss Take
i guess i cannot pin it down to any criticism directed at the site itself because it just generally gives me a bad feeling. i don't know. it's just an opinion. it's not like i'm going to go gun it down or anything.
what i find more strange than my dislike of it is your vehement defense of it.
use it don't use it love it hate it whatever. you love it and that's great i have no problem with you, jordan. my very best friend in the world uses it. she thinks i have social disorders. she's probably right. why do you hate me because i dislike myspace?
mjp
Founding member
Yeah, but you're selling through the internet, and you can be successful that way. Just as successful as selling through stores (if that wasn't true amazon.com would have failed).
It's nice to have the books on the shelves of stores around the country, but if you build a strong audience on line, you actually reach much, much further. So don't sweat the bad salesman part. It would probably take 6 months to sell your hardcovers through stores, but you sell them out in hours online. You win.
I miss book stores and record stores, no doubt, but this is where we are. Everyone has to deal with it. You're working it well.
Vodka, not that it matters, but I think myspace blows chunks. I dislike the interface. I dislike that when I go to a page there I'm blasted with shitty music and sometimes I can't find the goddamn player to shut it up. I detest most of the pages I'm reluctantly going to because there's so much WYSIWYG bullshit splattered all over the pages that I can't find what the hell I was asked to look at in the first place.
The only reason I have an account with it is because there are a couple people I am friends with (friends as in, I know them personally, physically as a human, as opposes to the, well, you know) that do neat stuff but only on myspace. If it weren't for them, I would give a squirt of beerpiss to put the fire out on it.
But, I still buy vinyl albums and wear homemade tyedye shirts, so I'm just an old hippie geezer who don't give a shit to catch up to modern times and my opinion don't matter much.
The only reason I have an account with it is because there are a couple people I am friends with (friends as in, I know them personally, physically as a human, as opposes to the, well, you know) that do neat stuff but only on myspace. If it weren't for them, I would give a squirt of beerpiss to put the fire out on it.
But, I still buy vinyl albums and wear homemade tyedye shirts, so I'm just an old hippie geezer who don't give a shit to catch up to modern times and my opinion don't matter much.
Rekrab
Usually wrong.
True. The BOSP hardcovers would just sit on the shelves in stores -- nobody would notice them, as beautiful as they are. To sell out an edition online in a matter of hours is phenomenal. The best I've ever done selling my own books at a reading is $42 the last time I read -- that's my record. I wasn't even trying to sell them. If I tried, I would have done poorly, I'm sure.
jordan
lothario speedwagon
true, my vehement defense of it is pretty strange. mostly, it's a response to your line of argumentation that went from obnoxious and over the top to logically ambiguous to watered down and ambivalent over the course of a few posts. i have no problem with you as a person (or anyone on this site who i've argued with, except for certain people who've been banned). also, myspace does have personal resonance for me... if you met your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/partner whatever (i definitely DON'T want to ask your sexual orientation, like a certain evil website does) at a baseball game, and then got to know them over a succession of baseball games, and fell in love with that person in the process, you'd probably be uppity if some asshole stormed in and said, "baseball games are for losers- losers who are self-absorbed navel gazers who only care about promoting themselves!!!"
so there you have it.
It's fair for you to defend where you have met rubyred, and I think it's great. My best to the both of you. I cannot take away the validity of myspace from either one of you, no matter my opinion of it.
The band that I am in has a page, and I avoid it as much as possible. Just not my thing. I'm entitled to hate the whole scene without raining on your happiness, nor is it my intention to do so. So, my best to the two of you, and I hope you wish those who disagree the same happiness. I do.
The band that I am in has a page, and I avoid it as much as possible. Just not my thing. I'm entitled to hate the whole scene without raining on your happiness, nor is it my intention to do so. So, my best to the two of you, and I hope you wish those who disagree the same happiness. I do.
Yes, yes.
bospress.net
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Hi,
I will say, that "I" don't get myspace, but then, I don't "get" Jazz either, so it may just be me. What I do know is that (not getting into it's worth as a communication device in the 21st century) there are a bunch of pages on there that lock my computer up and force me to reboot (and I have a nice computer). There is a desire by some to load up their page with huge music files, massive graphics and little blinking gif files. This is not myspace's fault as there is the same problem on many websites, but myspace seems to crash my computer more than others. I joined Facebook and that is cleaner and easier on my computer. Still, I don't go to Facebook much either.
And I had never had any interest in any forums either until mjp talked me into joining this one. I never got the point of any forums. Now I only "get" this forum and don't get the other ones.
See, it is always about "me".
And maybe someday I'll "get" jazz.
Bill
I will say, that "I" don't get myspace, but then, I don't "get" Jazz either, so it may just be me. What I do know is that (not getting into it's worth as a communication device in the 21st century) there are a bunch of pages on there that lock my computer up and force me to reboot (and I have a nice computer). There is a desire by some to load up their page with huge music files, massive graphics and little blinking gif files. This is not myspace's fault as there is the same problem on many websites, but myspace seems to crash my computer more than others. I joined Facebook and that is cleaner and easier on my computer. Still, I don't go to Facebook much either.
And I had never had any interest in any forums either until mjp talked me into joining this one. I never got the point of any forums. Now I only "get" this forum and don't get the other ones.
See, it is always about "me".
And maybe someday I'll "get" jazz.
Bill
Or Monk or Mingus or 'Trane. They're tough, but worth it.
mjp
Founding member
Don't try.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
Bill;
Now that this thread has been hijacked for like the 4th time, to slide into Jazz listen to Jimmie Hendrix Axis Bold as Love. It is rock but there are some jazz undertones that may help you get it. -then again you may just hate it.
Green Eggs and Jazz.
Now that this thread has been hijacked for like the 4th time, to slide into Jazz listen to Jimmie Hendrix Axis Bold as Love. It is rock but there are some jazz undertones that may help you get it. -then again you may just hate it.
Green Eggs and Jazz.
I love jazz, but it's not for everyone. like all things, I guess.
so I ditto mjp, don't try.
but if you do, start with Miles.
so I ditto mjp, don't try.
but if you do, start with Miles.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
Yes Miles is Jazz, but he's a bit too deep for a novice. Hendrix is a transition from deepest jazz. Some would go from Big Band to Jazz.
In Bills case he might be into NASCAR and if so he'll need intensive rehab and a presription. So, he may not want to try.
I can't believe I can listen to Ragae now, mon.
Wasn't there a "Did Bukowski like Jazz" thread about a year ago?;)
In Bills case he might be into NASCAR and if so he'll need intensive rehab and a presription. So, he may not want to try.
I can't believe I can listen to Ragae now, mon.
Wasn't there a "Did Bukowski like Jazz" thread about a year ago?;)
I've always found Miles to be the great polarizer. look at someone's record collection and if they only have one jazz disc, it's bound to be Miles, and most likely Kind of Blue.
but I also think you should listen to Hendrix. if that leads you to jazz? bonus.
but I also think you should listen to Hendrix. if that leads you to jazz? bonus.