New forum: the airing of the grievances

[hoochmonkey9]

Hooch won't like it he can't "like" his own posts, though.

it's ok. I keep a logbook at home here to record my posts that I like. I'm on volume 12. oops. make that volume 13.

kidding aside, mjp has done some good work here, I think. and he's fixed many of the little glitches that first popped up when he first unveiled the new forum less than 24 hours ago.

huzzah for the chief!

 

[mjp]

I never posted images in the old/older forum format and now it's as user friendly as can be.

Adding photos in the old system was a pain. This could not be easier.

Oh, I can't believe you didn't like this image posting method! ;)

One thing I wanted to bring up, and you can see an example of it in hank solo's final post in that thread, is that images that were attached before, then displayed in the post are replaced with ugly IMG tags. The images are still there as attachments, but the import of the old forum data into the new joint could not accommodate the old method for displaying attached images. So that sucks, but it can't be helped. Like I said, the images are still there as attachments, but it kind of screws up old threads.

 

[Bukfan]

You can still delete posts (I'm pretty sure - ha - I will check...I did not intend to take away that ability). The time limit for editing/deleting is 30 minutes, which is what it was before.

The time frame is fine, and I found the delete option (maybe because you just added it?)
Also, I noticed when you want to quote somebody, you have to put the cursor between the two quote signs yourself before you paste the quote. In the old forum it put the cursor was put between the two quote signs automatically. Is it possible to make the new forum do that as well?

 

[hank solo]

I think I see what you mean Bukfan. You mean if you use the

quote button. I expect that placing the cursor manually is unavoidable for now. Perhaps it's something that will be corrected by a later patch.

Have you tried the Reply option, which automatically quotes the post (which you can trim if you don't want to quote the whole thing)?

 

[Black Swan]

THIS THING IS HELL! I couldn't even start to tell, what's wrong with it and I sure would have to search a long time to find anything, that's right.)

Baby, you should know that "hell never stops". After the initial shock and a good sleep, you'll find your way like I did.
Really, it's not that bad, especially if I can do it. ;)

 

[mjp]

you have to put the cursor between the two quote signs yourself before you paste the quote.

Oh wow, that's pretty dumb. I'll bring that to the developer's attention.

I rarely use that, preferring the Reply link that adds the quote with attribution.

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Now that I look at how the quote button works, I think it is working as it's supposed to. Assuming most people will use "Reply" to quote from a post, the quote button would be used to quote text from outside the forum. if you paste some text from outside, then select that text, applying the quote button puts the quotes on both ends and places the cursor under the quoted text so you can keep typing.

I guess it's the selecting of the text that's an extra step. But no one in the developer's forum has even mentioned this, so I have to wonder if most people consider what it's doing now to be "correct." I'll bring it up anyway.

 

[mjp]

One thing that I miss "Who's online", which may be hiding or gone for good.

In addition to the location on the front page that hank solo pointed out, try this:

for a detailed view of who's on line.

 

[hank solo]

The Members Online Now text is a link to the same page.

 

[mjp]

Der!

 

[hank solo]

Options are good! :)

 

[Bukfan]

I think I see what you mean Bukfan. You mean if you use the View attachment 2765 quote button. I expect that placing the cursor manually is unavoidable for now. Perhaps it's something that will be corrected by a later patch.

Have you tried the Reply option, which automatically quotes the post (which you can trim if you don't want to quote the whole thing)?

Right, that's an option too, especially if there's not too much text you have to trim down. In such cases it might be faster to use the "Quote" option.

Now that I look at how the quote button works, I think it is working as it's supposed to. Assuming most people will use "Reply" to quote from a post, the quote button would be used to quote text from outside the forum. if you paste some text from outside, then select that text, applying the quote button puts the quotes on both ends and places the cursor under the quoted text so you can keep typing.

I guess it's the selecting of the text that's an extra step. But no one in the developer's forum has even mentioned this, so I have to wonder if most people consider what it's doing now to be "correct." I'll bring it up anyway.

Maybe it's just me and my habits. I usually copy-paste the text I want to quote instead of using the "Reply" option and then trim the text down to the part I want to use. Both methods require some steps, so one step more or less does'nt make a lot of difference, of course. I just thought I would mention the cursor thing now that we're discussing the pro's and con's of the new forum anyway.

 

[Rekrab]

Mjp: I'm getting used to the new look, and it seems fine. Maybe this has been discussed already, but I'm not seeing the number of posts with people's avatars. Is that by design?

 

[mjp]

Yes. The post number can be added, along with other stuff, but 1) it takes up a lot of space - a one line post ends up being three inches of mostly empty space, and 2) not having the post count kind of evens the playing field. I know that I look at someone with 3,000 posts and someone with 3 posts differently, and I probably shouldn't.

If you click on the avatar you get a handy little pop-up that shows post count.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

Huzzah from me too! I like it and I have seen this format before, I may have been a test dummy.

As for our dear roni, read his post. He clearly stated he just got home from the other side of the world and if you have been paying attention to roni you know he has little or no money so you can bet he did not fly first class, not that that would have been that much more comfortable. A long jet flight is stressful on many different levels so give him a couple of days to get back to his senses. WE LOVE YOU roni!

Does the spell check work? or do I have to hook it up again? You know I need that since I never finished college.

For the record I like this post.

 

[mjp]

There is no spell-check in the forum software, I don't think there ever has been. That's more of a browser function these days.

 

[Bukfan]

WE LOVE YOU roni!

That's right! Come back - or we'll start singing outside your house every night until you give in.:D

(I just love how easy it is to upload an image in the new forum! That's a great improvement)

 

[Stavrogin]

If the Ducks don't work, Bukfan, I'm sending this guy on an all expenses paid holiday to Roni's house:

 

[Hirst]

Nice place. Nasty looking from the curb though. But once you're inside, it's quite decent. And if it's easier to deal with, then it's worth it.

How much do we owe the movers?

 

[mjp]

Okay, I am being berated by a vicious, obsessive and possibly dangerously psychotic cunt over on the forum for this software --- but she has a point.

So I have changed the default forum width to fluid, or variable, so it will widen almost out to the edge of your browser window.

If you want to go back to the fixed width, just mouse over this here:

and choose "Fixed width."

 

[LickTheStar]

So at what level can I trade my points for an original Buk watercolor?

 

[mjp]

Please refer to item #1: "...points cannot be redeemed for cash or prizes..."

 

[reasonknot]

so now i"m on google crome and this place is all jacked up

 

[DirtyJersey13]

Can we give Stavrogin an award for Most Ridiculous Youtube Video Post, seriously I would love to know how the hell you came across that gem.

 

[mjp]

so now i"m on google crome and this place is all jacked up

How so? I look at it in Chrome all day.

 

[Digney in Burnaby]

I like the wider look.
--old man with baggy trousers

 

[justine]

Okay, I am being berated by a vicious, obsessive and possibly dangerously psychotic cunt over on the forum for this software

talk about forum software and tweaking is pretty boring, but i would definitely like to hear more about this.

 

[Gerard K H Love]

Stavrogin, do you speak Finnish?

Now suddenly my spell check is working...thank you the great and powerful man behind the curtain.

 

[mjp]

Well, I was exaggerating for show, you know how I do.

But there's a thread about this forum, and she commented that I should have a fluid style as well as the fixed. I made the mistake of asking why and she seemed to lose her mind. Some people have strong emotional responses to running a forum at a fixed width apparently. Ha.

I feel completely hemmed in and claustrophobic having to use fixed width skins, I refuse to do it in fact, for example: There is an excellent Admin forum around, even though it is a fine site with good people and discussions.. I cannot abide fixed width skins, truly physically feel sick using them, and whilst that site several choices in themes, they are all fixed width, sadly I cannot post there at all.​

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and the argument you don't want to "maintain" two styles is (naturally) spurious... make the default xenforo style available (which is nicely fluid you will notice) then you don't have to do a single thing.. And then, those of your pooor members who like me detest being dictated to in such a fundamental way will have one less control freak thing to object to.
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Nazi, control freak, (naturally) spurious...someone is taking it way too seriously. So I replied:

Naturally?

Do you hate me because I set a fixed width, or did I do something else to you that I don't remember?






Wait - were you that girl in the pink leather jacket at CBGBs in 1981? May I remind you that it was your idea to go downstairs! Those bathrooms scared me. And you gave me the jacket, I didn't steal it. You were pretty wasted after downing those 17 little bottles of Anbesol, but you clearly wanted me to have it. And you knew I was leaving for Philadelphia the next day. It was a one-night gig, I told you when we started making out in the dressing room. I didn't appreciate all the letters to my apartment over the following 18 months. You know, my girlfriend opened some of those.

Jeez, talk about holding a grudge.​

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Then back and forth a little more, and I'm just trying to make a joke and get her to shut up already - not unlike a night I experienced at the Huntington recently - and the thread went along and it seemed fine. Then she came back and started in again. I think she has a mental problem. But what can I say. In the end, when I thought about it, she was right in that there should be a choice. She's out of her mind about everything else, so it would have been easy to take it all personally and tell her to go torture someone else, but a good idea is a good idea. Even if it comes from a lunatic.

 

[Rekrab]

Yes. The post number can be added, along with other stuff, but 1) it takes up a lot of space - a one line post ends up being three inches of mostly empty space, and 2) not having the post count kind of evens the playing field. I know that I look at someone with 3,000 posts and someone with 3 posts differently, and I probably shouldn't.

If you click on the avatar you get a handy little pop-up that shows post count.

I like the post count because it tells me when someone is new, and how new. I look at a 3rd post differently than a 300th. But like you say, it does level the field.

 

[roni]

[...] we'll miss you for sure, but leaving in a huff because you don't like the new design is awfully overdramatic, don't you think?

baby, I never intended to leave the forum! how could I?
I just had to leave on that evening, as it was really too much for me at that moment without warning etc.

And I wanted a few days to see if anything changes due to other member's suggestions, before I'll start my rant.

:-))

^^ HA! it starts with the damn smilie above! In the old system I was able to avoid these annoying thing poping up automatically by using two closing-brackets for the lips. If it stays like this, I won't be able to use letter-based-smilies anymore. :-((

[...] Also we restrict the width now, obviously, [...]

You Sure?



Ah! - I see now:

[...] So I have changed the default forum width to fluid, or variable, [...] and choose "Fixed width."

That's good.
I like the width fixed.
Remember how I complaint about the width being non-fixed anymore after the last design-change? Now I feel better.

I also like that it isn't that much 'comic'-style anymore (bubbles, smilies, etc).


I agree with some of the first posters, who said, the screen was too light / too few contrast now. The 'white' is okay, but some letters are still too light-colored for my eyes and I miss the obviously big breaks between posts as well as a clearer border around quotations or something else that would help identifying at first look.

[...] she was right in that there should be a choice. [...]

Yep!
That's always the best way to do it - if you can make it work that way.
You know everybody has their stupid little habits and thoughts of how things should work and look.