Cave criticizes Buk for being Buk.
Nick Cave on Bukowski
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Bukowski's genius is not that you "just" think of Bukowski; more importantly, it's that you think of... well, yourself - who and what you are... He can take you inside, way beyond what he's writing about. How many writers can consistently do that with laughter and depth? [Deafening silence.]
When you think of Berryman, you think... well, of Berryman. He was "playful, witty, and morbid."... There's no shame in it, but Berryman committed suicide. He didn't make it to the finish line, and I find that important after wanting to throw in the towel myself in the dim past... I get more out of reading the finishers, because they maintain their connection with their inner light through sorrow, loss and disaster and find the strength, or grace, to live through it all.
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mjp
Founding member
Well I was all excited about finding a new home there until I saw this:
Libellous, unlawful, harassing, defamatory, abusive, harmful, sexist, homophobic, threatening, obscene, racially offensive or otherwise objectionable material will not be tolerated. Derogatory statements, direct or indirect personal attacks are strictly not permitted. Posts that are regarded as argumentative or inciting an argument will not be allowed.
Now I don't feel welcome.
bospress.net
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I love Nick Cave, but sometimes he is just wrong.
Plus, he can be a bit of a pompous ass at times.
Bill
Plus, he can be a bit of a pompous ass at times.
Bill
I love him too and agree with All you said.
Plus:
I know of a certain author who can be "just wrong" with his judgings too, can be an ass too, violent and crude (ask G.Locklin) etc.
But I still admire, yet LOVE this author!
ps:
The last Nick Cave album I've bought was 'No more shall we part' and I like it but prefer his late 80s stuff by far ('Tender Pray' + 'Your funeral my trial').
Ambreen
Sordide Sentimental
Well spoken, Roni !
But don't tell me you've ignored the discs who have followed No more shall we part ! They're good !
That's Tender Prey and it's actually my favourite. ;)
Thank you very much for this article, Hoochmonkey9 ! I for the moment just read the part about Bukowski but I saw the rest is mostly dealing with his new novel. I heard about it maybe one year ago and didn't know it was already written ! That reminds me I still have to read the first one !
For those who haven't heard We call upon the author yet (at 3.38) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQtsO2m1fNk
Assuredly not my fav of the disc but the first time I heard the line, I was "rolling on laughing floor".
But don't tell me you've ignored the discs who have followed No more shall we part ! They're good !
That's Tender Prey and it's actually my favourite. ;)
Thank you very much for this article, Hoochmonkey9 ! I for the moment just read the part about Bukowski but I saw the rest is mostly dealing with his new novel. I heard about it maybe one year ago and didn't know it was already written ! That reminds me I still have to read the first one !
For those who haven't heard We call upon the author yet (at 3.38) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQtsO2m1fNk
Assuredly not my fav of the disc but the first time I heard the line, I was "rolling on laughing floor".
Ambreen
Sordide Sentimental
"Nick Cave" + "boyscout" = antinomic
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I like a lot of what Cave has done over the years (not particularly the latest Grinderman stuff) but the SCUM manifesto? I tried reading that crap years ago, absolute drivel. When you separate Cave from his writing and music what have you got?
Another swinging dick that has to shave his mug and put his pants one leg at a time. Bukowski was not a God, neither is Cave.
Another swinging dick that has to shave his mug and put his pants one leg at a time. Bukowski was not a God, neither is Cave.
I think Cave is quite a cool guy and all although you don't always have to agree with him, obviously. I don't really have a problem with what he says. How lame is the interviewer though?
Non-commital yet sucking up to Cave (by agreeing) at the same time. I'd prefer it if he'd said 'I hate Bukowski myself'. At least then you'd know it was an actual opinion.
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Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
Fuck you too, Punter...;)
well Mr Cave lives in my home town so next time I see him I'll tell him about this discussion thr....ha ha...sorry I couldn't finish that.
He rents videos from my mates video shop though, so maybe I'll get him to sneak a copy of Barfly into the case for a documentary on 17th Century German architecture.
He rents videos from my mates video shop though, so maybe I'll get him to sneak a copy of Barfly into the case for a documentary on 17th Century German architecture.
well i have to admit: there is a bit of truth there. buk the man is also part of the allure(a larger part, i think, than most fans would like to acknowledge) i'm a buk fan, but he wasn't a terribly good novelist. i'm sorry, he just wasn't. i just finished factotum and-i hate to say this-but i found it to be shockingly bad. it reads like a boring journal(first i did this, then this, then i went here, then there etc...) its basically the same chapter over and over. having said that, i loved p.office. ham on rye was pretty good. women had some good parts but was a little redundant. some of the poetry is enjoyable(not much of a poetry guy, so i can't really speak on that) but bottom line: if buk wasn't the crazy character he was, this web site does not exist.
I think of Buk as primarily a poet and a groundbreaking one. and I'm pretty sure Bukowski thought of himself as a poet first. the novels and short stories were important but secondary. so, I don't think your bottom line applies. there is an appeal to 'crazy characters,' but without the goods to back it up a website like this would fizzle out within a few months.
I wonder what Bukowski would say about his music? - let me guess: Shit?
well i guess what i'm saying is: if buk had been more of a "regular guy" the site might not have had a chance to fizzle out-it prob wouldn't have existed at all. not because he's not a good poet, writer etc...but because he wouldn't have been as "known". i mean, how many famous poets are there? how many poets can the man on the street(or even writers or would be writers) name off the top of their head? I think the "dirty old man" persona kind of catapulted him to a certain level of fame, so i have to respectfully disagree there. to the larger point though, i don't really agree with this cave guy either. but theres def some truth there. but you're right: buk has the goods. no doubt.
one thing i forgot to add-and its a little off topic-is that "San Diego", translated, literally means "a whale's vagina". this just confirmed by ron burgendy. a new thread?
one thing i forgot to add-and its a little off topic-is that "San Diego", translated, literally means "a whale's vagina". this just confirmed by ron burgendy. a new thread?
"breaking news! this just in: hall monitor faggot ruins the fun because he can't take a little harmless criticism of his over-rated hero. and also because...wait...wait...its just coming in now...oh, he also has a shit sense of humor" nah. i wasnt going to, but i think ill hang around a while now. this boring site is starting to get fun
bospress.net
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Mr Lally,
I have been trying to contact him for years about publishing something of his. Please have your mate mention BoSP! I even had a contact, his publicist in London and sent him some stuff, but, of course, never heard a thing.....
Bill
I have been trying to contact him for years about publishing something of his. Please have your mate mention BoSP! I even had a contact, his publicist in London and sent him some stuff, but, of course, never heard a thing.....
Bill
Are you high boy??
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
That guy has sunk like a stone.
Are you saying that all authors/poets/musicians/creative persons are solely remembered thx due to their crazy personalities?