mjp
Founding member
I believe I have been dismissed! :(
Okay. I surrender. Let the squirrels have their nuts.
Oh, thy starry night! ... Bukowski in the Sky with Diamonds
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Okay. I surrender. Let the squirrels have their nuts.
Gerard K H Love
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Thank you, we will now continue kicking this dead cat.
some facts for date collectors:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/t/o/Marina-Stone/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0405.html
Henry Charles Bukowski (son of Leonard Bukowski and Emily Bukowski) was born 21 Oct 1895 in Pasadena, California
and died 04 Dec 1958 in Los Angeles, California
He married Katharina Fett on 15 Jul 1920 in Andernach, Germany, daughter of Wilhelm Fett and Nanatte Israel.
Katharina Fett (daughter of Wilhelm Fett and Nanatte Israel) was born 12 May 1895 in Andernach, Germany
and died 23 Dec 1956 in Los Angeles, California
Henry Bukowski and Katherina Fett met in Andernach after World War One and got married.
They rented an apartment at Aktienstrasse 12, where on the 16th of August 1920, at 10 p.m. little Charles Bukowski was born.
That took place in the room where you can see the cross above the window.
They only stayed for two years in Andernach, before moving to Coblenz.
Because of the collapse of the German economy (1923) they moved to the US.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/t/o/Marina-Stone/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0405.html
Leonard Bukowski was born Oct 1861 in Germany, Emigration: 1884, Baltimore.
Emily Bukowski was born 31 Oct 1865 in Germany, and died 07 Oct 1949 in LOS ANGELES, California
She married Leonard Bukowski on 18 Sep 1887 in Pasadena, California,
Emily Bukowski
from : you get so alone at times that it just makes sense
by : Charles Bukowski
my grandmother always attended the sunrise Easter service
and the Rose Bowl parade.
she also liked to go to the
beach, sit on those benches
facing the sea.
she thought movies were
sinful.
she ate enormous platefuls of
food.
she prayed for me
constantly.
"poor boy: the devil is inside
of you."
she said the devil was
inside her husband
too.
though not divorced
they lived
separately
and had not seen each
other
for 15 years.
she said that hospitals were
nonsense.
she never used them
or
the doctors.
at 87
she died one evening
while feeding her
canary.
she liked to
drop the seed
into the cage
while making these
little
bird sounds.
she wasn't very
interesting
but few people
are.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/t/o/Marina-Stone/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0405.html
Henry Charles Bukowski (son of Leonard Bukowski and Emily Bukowski) was born 21 Oct 1895 in Pasadena, California
and died 04 Dec 1958 in Los Angeles, California
He married Katharina Fett on 15 Jul 1920 in Andernach, Germany, daughter of Wilhelm Fett and Nanatte Israel.
Katharina Fett (daughter of Wilhelm Fett and Nanatte Israel) was born 12 May 1895 in Andernach, Germany
and died 23 Dec 1956 in Los Angeles, California
Henry Bukowski and Katherina Fett met in Andernach after World War One and got married.
They rented an apartment at Aktienstrasse 12, where on the 16th of August 1920, at 10 p.m. little Charles Bukowski was born.
That took place in the room where you can see the cross above the window.
They only stayed for two years in Andernach, before moving to Coblenz.
Because of the collapse of the German economy (1923) they moved to the US.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/t/o/Marina-Stone/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0405.html
Leonard Bukowski was born Oct 1861 in Germany, Emigration: 1884, Baltimore.
Emily Bukowski was born 31 Oct 1865 in Germany, and died 07 Oct 1949 in LOS ANGELES, California
She married Leonard Bukowski on 18 Sep 1887 in Pasadena, California,
Emily Bukowski
from : you get so alone at times that it just makes sense
by : Charles Bukowski
my grandmother always attended the sunrise Easter service
and the Rose Bowl parade.
she also liked to go to the
beach, sit on those benches
facing the sea.
she thought movies were
sinful.
she ate enormous platefuls of
food.
she prayed for me
constantly.
"poor boy: the devil is inside
of you."
she said the devil was
inside her husband
too.
though not divorced
they lived
separately
and had not seen each
other
for 15 years.
she said that hospitals were
nonsense.
she never used them
or
the doctors.
at 87
she died one evening
while feeding her
canary.
she liked to
drop the seed
into the cage
while making these
little
bird sounds.
she wasn't very
interesting
but few people
are.
I looked up Buk's data and it turns out he was actually born at 10 A.M. So that changes his horoscope quite a bit.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bukowski,_Charles
He had the Moon in the 12th house and that is often associated with people who need their down time and like to be alone. His Saturn in the 12th is also implicated in this sort of pattern. His bad track record with women can be seen through the opposition of Venus and Uranus. Hard to have long lasting relationships with that combination. But what is neat is that he has a very tight alignment involving Mercury (writing, thinking), Venus (beauty, aesthetics) and Uranus (originality, rebelliousness). That is likely one reason why he ended up pursuing a career in writing. And with Uranus opposing all those planets we can see his preference to follow his own path on the margins outside the mainstream.
Definitely some plausible lines of explanation there.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bukowski,_Charles
He had the Moon in the 12th house and that is often associated with people who need their down time and like to be alone. His Saturn in the 12th is also implicated in this sort of pattern. His bad track record with women can be seen through the opposition of Venus and Uranus. Hard to have long lasting relationships with that combination. But what is neat is that he has a very tight alignment involving Mercury (writing, thinking), Venus (beauty, aesthetics) and Uranus (originality, rebelliousness). That is likely one reason why he ended up pursuing a career in writing. And with Uranus opposing all those planets we can see his preference to follow his own path on the margins outside the mainstream.
Definitely some plausible lines of explanation there.
mjp
Founding member
Johannes
Founding member
I always loved how astrology can explain everything after it happened.
If this would be a serious system of any kind, shouldn't there be some disagreements at times? I mean, at least to fake up some kind of alibi? Something like, holy fuck, with Venus giving Saturn a blowjob in the 13th house and the Moon strangling himself in the 17th this guy could never have been a poet? How is this possible? He should have been a gay and extroverted butcher or a surgeon with dirty fingernails! What the hell, something is wrong here ...
Somehow you never hear anything like this but only the other weirdo kind.
If this would be a serious system of any kind, shouldn't there be some disagreements at times? I mean, at least to fake up some kind of alibi? Something like, holy fuck, with Venus giving Saturn a blowjob in the 13th house and the Moon strangling himself in the 17th this guy could never have been a poet? How is this possible? He should have been a gay and extroverted butcher or a surgeon with dirty fingernails! What the hell, something is wrong here ...
Somehow you never hear anything like this but only the other weirdo kind.
Black Swan
Abord the Yorikke!
Joannes, you should be in charge of reading our horoscopes,
I like your style. :angelic:
I like your style. :angelic:
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
They say it can also tell you about things to come, not that I believe in astrology. To say planets stands for certain concepts is too far out, I think. Funny, how some people like to believe in systems, from astrology to numerology to Scientology to (insert your favorite system here)...
There's actually tons of disagreement among astrologers. There are many ways to interpret a horoscope. This is either a sign of healthy debate or reveals the fact that the system is not robust, depending on your opinion of it all.
I use to think it was complete nonsense until I looked into it for myself. I think there is something going on, although I'm not sure how much. Astrologers tend to exaggerate what they know and what they can predict. In a sense, astrologers are their own worst enemy. As a group, they lack logical thinking and scientific literacy. They are easily fooled by random hits and ignore misses. In their world, everything is meaningful, from full Moons to a crow landing on your front porch. That's the enchanted world they live in.
I can see there is the usual amount of skepticism here, both good natured and hostile. So be it. I know Bukowski thought it was all a "con". I would expect that from someone like him, too. Like a self actualizing person with a strong ego, he rejected the idea that anything could have power over him.
For all those who reject it out of hand, I would just say check it out for yourself. Obviously, the idea that planets millions of miles away exert some influence over us seems completely insane. It goes against everything science knows about gravitational effects and most everything else. But astrologers themselves don't fuss over the mechanisms of how it can work. Most scientists didn't know how aspirin worked either.
Next time transiting Venus is conjoining the position of the Moon when you were born, make a note of what happens. In most cases, it will be pretty good.
We now return to regularly scheduled programming...
Exactly right. People think in terms of systems and categories -- liberal politics, Christianity, you name it. A template through which to view the whole world.
mjp
Founding member
Believing we are the remains of a million dead suns predicates a blossoming pattern of predicative behavior no less than believing we are between the divine spark of God's Alpha and Omega in guiding are behavior. A star that is millions of miles away guiding our behavior is as relative as it is relative as it is relative - from that pain you feel in your knee to the distance between your brain and back again. Time/distance are unavoidably relative concepts. I trust in Free Will.
you'll find a facsimile of the birth-certificate in S0unes' 'Bukowski in p1ctures' on page 22.
But thank you anyway. And don't underestimate the value of a good toothpick when needed! (first date, etc)
ps:
If you actually are into the subject, you sure know, that it definitely DOES make a difference if it's am or pm. The whole horizon is upside-down then. Doesn't matter in terms of the 'slow' planets but sure is important for moon, sun, venus, mars and maybe THE MOST: the ascendent!
he wasn't.
the rest of the known record is right.
But, I must admit, this here is not the right place (site) to discuss things like that.
Just one more thing (to END this from my side):
be aware that the birth certificate does NOT give any minute! It's really only "10 pm", which - especially in terms of the ascendent - can lead to a big buch of misinterpretations! From what the certificate says, we would be somewhere between 9:30 and 10:30 (more or less - maybe even up to 10:59!). I (personally) would refuse to make a birth-horoscope under these conditions.