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[cirerita]

When I talked to Martin, I asked him about why the poems were not dated, and he said that he felt it was not important, and I guess he was right in a sense. The average reader is NOT interested in that. However, fans and forensic analysts love this kind of info.

Most poems -including uncollected and unpublished stuff- in my Bukowski project are dated and alphabetically and/or chronologically listed. All the stories ared dated and the first line from each story is quoted -including the almost 500 Notes of a Dirty Old Man columns.

That means that if someone wants to know when -and where- a given poem from The Roominghouse Madrigals was first published, they would just have to go to my biblio Index to find the answer. Of course, the real problem are those previously unpublished poems which make it to a posthumous collection. But I have double-checked so many manuscript poems, that I have been able to date many of those as well.

This is a monster, believe me :D

 

[bospress.net]

Abel,
Are you saying that you have a list of every published poem and when it was written? That would be quite something!

Bill

 

[cirerita]

Not exactly. I have a list of all published poems -and most unpublished poems. If you go to my biblio Index, you'll see all the appearances of a given poem/story. The first one would be the earliest one.

The issue here is the difference between previously uncollected and unpublished material. The previously uncollected material is fairly easy to track down, but for the unpublished one you need to find the original manuscripts. For instance, I know that many of the previously unpublished poems which appeared on At Terror Street... are from 1964 because I was able to see the spiral notebook where Bukowski first scrawled them.

 

[Purple Stickpin]

When I talked to Martin, I asked him about why the poems were not dated, and he said that he felt it was not important, and I guess he was right in a sense. The average reader is NOT interested in that. However, fans and forensic analysts love this kind of info.

Most poems -including uncollected and unpublished stuff- in my Bukowski project are dated and alphabetically and/or chronologically listed. All the stories ared dated and the first line from each story is quoted -including the almost 500 Notes of a Dirty Old Man columns.

That means that if someone wants to know when -and where- a given poem from The Roominghouse Madrigals was first published, they would just have to go to my biblio Index to find the answer. Of course, the real problem are those previously unpublished poems which make it to a posthumous collection. But I have double-checked so many manuscript poems, that I have been able to date many of those as well.

This is a monster, believe me :D

Fantastic, Abel. Please tell me that your thesis will be published in a volume hand-bound in boards by Earle Grey, with a red cloth backstrip, and numbered and signed by the author. :cool:

Seriously, this work is something I really need to have; no matter the price (well, within reason)!

As for John Martin, if he didn't think that the average reader cared about the dates, well, that's fine. But why in the hell did he produce such limited edition volumes in so many incarnations, knowing that they would only appeal to the collector? Wouldn't the dates appeal to them?

Sounds like laziness to me. That would have been one more brilliant thing to differentiate the signed, numbered and/or illustrated editions from the trade and paperbacks: dates in an index {freaking drool...}.

 

[ROC]

What he said :)

 

[chronic]

...including the almost 500 Notes of a Dirty Old Man columns.

Now that should be the next Bukowski book: The Complete Notes of a Dirty Old Man. I'd buy one.

 

[Bukfan]

Now, that's a great idea, chronic! Such a book (or book series) would easily sell and make a handsome profit for the publisher (publishers, are you listening?)...

 

[cirerita]

Now that should be the next Bukowski book: The Complete Notes of a Dirty Old Man. I'd buy one.

Sorry to disappoint you, but most of the uncollected columns suck big time. Mediocre stuff at best. Keep in mind he wrote those columns non-stop from 1967 to early 1976, and there was a weekly deadline. He coulnd't keep it up ;)

 

[roni]

... most of the uncollected columns suck big time. Mediocre stuff at best.

still I'd have one.
(Best would be to have them with the original layout. Facsimile. Most satisfying for collectors/scholars AND cheapest way for publishers.)


And hey, cire-Mastermind-rita:

I am looking forward to your piece like hell! My mouth is dripping and I'm pretty wet between my thighs as I type this.
You RULE, but you know this anyway.

 

[bospress.net]

Abel,
I take it that you have the book "Open Bukowski" that was published by Jamie Boran?

Has anyone heard from him lately? I think that he stopped collecting, maybe.

Bill

 

[cirerita]

Yup, Jamie mailed me a copy a while ago. But that's just the tip of the iceberg, if you know what I mean.

 

[chronic]

Sorry to disappoint you, but most of the uncollected columns suck big time. Mediocre stuff at best. Keep in mind he wrote those columns non-stop from 1967 to early 1976, and there was a weekly deadline. He coulnd't keep it up ;)

I'd buy one anyway. I'd love to read 'em all.

 

[Father Luke]

Mediocre stuff at best

he wrote those columns non-stop
there was a weekly deadline

Even Enrico Caruso cleared his throat before he sang