this is my first post, so im not sure if this is covered elsewhere, but how about we go through some of the pseudonyms in Buks writings. for example: jon pinchot = barbet schroder. there are quite a few in hollywood that i cannot figure out, which apply to real persons i am not sure. a couple im curious about are harold pheasant and pat sellers. also deciphering movie titles would be nice too. for example i was kind of thinking that return from hades might be the movie ironweed, sort of fits. one other that im not sure on is the character in women, dinky summers, could this be donovan? any thoughts, answers or questions here?
pseudonyms!
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no one else curious about any of these? no input? lame. . .
henry chinaski, seems like an obvious pseudonym. . . is there another thread i can look at then?
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Hi,
I have heard rumor that Buk some poems wrote UNDER a pseudonym. Does anyone know if this is true and if so, what name?
Bill
I have heard rumor that Buk some poems wrote UNDER a pseudonym. Does anyone know if this is true and if so, what name?
Bill
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HI,
In #3 there are the following poets:
Paul Vangelisti
? Lane
Ben Goldberg
Gerda Penfold
A P Russo
David Engel
Roger Margolis
Donald Schenker
Neeli Cherry (Real Person)
E. Rosenthal
Bukowski (Real Person)
Tony Quagliano
Al Masarik (Real Person)
Ben Pleasants (Real Person)
A. C. Winkler
Steve Richmond (Real Person)
Can anyone else help clear some of these names as real people?
Bill
In #3 there are the following poets:
Paul Vangelisti
? Lane
Ben Goldberg
Gerda Penfold
A P Russo
David Engel
Roger Margolis
Donald Schenker
Neeli Cherry (Real Person)
E. Rosenthal
Bukowski (Real Person)
Tony Quagliano
Al Masarik (Real Person)
Ben Pleasants (Real Person)
A. C. Winkler
Steve Richmond (Real Person)
Can anyone else help clear some of these names as real people?
Bill
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As it stands...
Paul Vangelisti (Real Person)
? Lane
Ben Goldberg
Gerda Penfold
A P Russo
David Engel
Roger Margolis (Real Person)
Donald Schenker
Neeli Cherry (Real Person)
E. Rosenthal
Bukowski (Real Person)
Tony Quagliano (Real Person)
Al Masarik (Real Person)
Ben Pleasants (Real Person)
A. C. Winkler
Steve Richmond (Real Person)
The other names do seem fictitious. Was the rumor that Buk and Neeli wrote poems under pen names? If so, it is possible that the rest are them... Once we figure it out, I'll scan the pages and see if we can figure out who wrote what...
Bill
Paul Vangelisti (Real Person)
? Lane
Ben Goldberg
Gerda Penfold
A P Russo
David Engel
Roger Margolis (Real Person)
Donald Schenker
Neeli Cherry (Real Person)
E. Rosenthal
Bukowski (Real Person)
Tony Quagliano (Real Person)
Al Masarik (Real Person)
Ben Pleasants (Real Person)
A. C. Winkler
Steve Richmond (Real Person)
The other names do seem fictitious. Was the rumor that Buk and Neeli wrote poems under pen names? If so, it is possible that the rest are them... Once we figure it out, I'll scan the pages and see if we can figure out who wrote what...
Bill
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in hollywood...
sarah = linda and also in Women
jack bledsoe = mickey rourke
francine bowers = faye dunaway
lol i dunno anymore
in Post Office
tom moto = Dom Muto
sarah = linda and also in Women
jack bledsoe = mickey rourke
francine bowers = faye dunaway
lol i dunno anymore
in Post Office
tom moto = Dom Muto
Bukfan
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Hollywood:
Mack Austin = Dennis Hopper
John Galt = John Thomas
Friedman-Fischman = Golan-Globus
Firepower = The Cannon Group
Hector Blackford = Taylor Hackford
Francois Racine = Francois Trauffault
[Edit: Francois Racine is actually Steve Baës.]
Wenner Zergog = Werner Herzog
Michael Huntington = Michael Montfort
Lido Mamin = Idi Amin
Jon-luc Modard = Jean-Lou Godard
Karl Vossner = Carl Weissner
Tom Pell = Sean Penn
Ramona = Madonna
Jim Serry = Timothy Leary
Mack Derouac = Jack Kerouac
Victor Norman = Norman Mailer
Tab Jones = Tom Jones
Frances Ford Lopalla = Francis Ford Coppola
Francine Bowers = Faye Dunnaway
Jack Bledsoe = Mickey Rourke
Sara = Linda Bukowski
Dinky Summers = ? - I forget his name but he was a singer/guitarist friend of Buk's...
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Today I was trying to recall this very pseudonym and having a good laugh remembering "Jon Pinchon" ranting and raving and working himself into a complete lather about "Tab Jones" and his plastic Las Vegas review?one of the hilarious comic scenes in Hollywood. And Bukowski captured it to perfection.
Thanks for the complete list, Bukfan! Adds to the enjoyment of the book.
Poptop
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Pseudonyms in "Women" :
Dinky Summers: Bob Linde - singer/guitarist friend of Buk's
Lydia Vance: Linda King - one of Buk's longtime relationships
Dee Dee Bronson: Liza Williams - executive at Island Records - lover of Buk's
Tammie: Pamela Miller ("Cupcakes") - lover of Buk's
Arlene: Georgia Peckham-Krellner - friend of Pamelas
Sammy Levinson: Neeli Cherkowski - friend of Buk's
Tanya: Amber O'Neill (also a pseudonym!) - fan/lover of Buk's
Mercedes: Joanna Bull - fan of Buk's
William Keesing: William Wantling - poet & friend of Buk's
Cecilia Keesing: Ruth Wantling - wife of William
Sara: Linda Bukowski
Drop On Inn: Dew Drop Inn
Drayer Baba: Maher Baba - indian guru
Bobby & Valerie: Brad & Tina Darby - friends & neighbours of Buk's
Douglas Fazzick: Douglas Blazek - editor of "Ole" & publisher of Buk
Bart McIntosh: Ted Laturnus - organizer of Buk's reading in Vancouver 1976
That's the pseudonyms in "Women" that I've worked out so far. Has anyone found some pseudonyms not on my list?
Dinky Summers: Bob Linde - singer/guitarist friend of Buk's
Lydia Vance: Linda King - one of Buk's longtime relationships
Dee Dee Bronson: Liza Williams - executive at Island Records - lover of Buk's
Tammie: Pamela Miller ("Cupcakes") - lover of Buk's
Arlene: Georgia Peckham-Krellner - friend of Pamelas
Sammy Levinson: Neeli Cherkowski - friend of Buk's
Tanya: Amber O'Neill (also a pseudonym!) - fan/lover of Buk's
Mercedes: Joanna Bull - fan of Buk's
William Keesing: William Wantling - poet & friend of Buk's
Cecilia Keesing: Ruth Wantling - wife of William
Sara: Linda Bukowski
Drop On Inn: Dew Drop Inn
Drayer Baba: Maher Baba - indian guru
Bobby & Valerie: Brad & Tina Darby - friends & neighbours of Buk's
Douglas Fazzick: Douglas Blazek - editor of "Ole" & publisher of Buk
Bart McIntosh: Ted Laturnus - organizer of Buk's reading in Vancouver 1976
That's the pseudonyms in "Women" that I've worked out so far. Has anyone found some pseudonyms not on my list?
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Great lists from Bukfan on Hollywood
and Women.
I think there's only one that's missing:
Henry Chinaski = Norman Mailer? :confused:
(Naw...Mailer was Victor Norman.)
Stumped in Sedona, Poptop
So...
HarryC13
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Long time to be ringing in on a post, but does it seem obvious to anyone else that A.C. Winkler might be A.D. Winans?
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A.D. would have used his real name if it were him. I would guess that it could be Buk or Neeli, but 99.99% sure that it is not Winans.
Bill
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even though both of them appeare under their real name too?
hm, yes, maybe because to add to the list of contributors?
anything in the style of "A. C. Winkler's" writing that would point to one of them?
these all seem right to me except the francois racine character. i'm almost positive it's not francois truffaut. the guy in the book, racine, was an insane genius actor who was also a wino gambler, and truffaut was an groundbreaking new wave movie director who seemed only to act in bit parts, usually uncredited. and most of all, truffaut died of a brain tumor in 1984, which would be right around or before hollywood takes place. in any case he wouldn't be in the slums of venice, spinning homemade roulette wheels and drinking cheap wine while protecting a few chickens from child thieves.
so, i guess i'm wondering just who IS this francois racine character?
hollywood is a great great book. i enjoyed it even more the second time...
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You're right james.
Francois Racine is actually Steve Baës.
There's a lot more detail in the Bukowski story 'My friend the gambler', published in High Times October 1984.
In 'My friend...' his character is called 'Steve Cosmos'. Bukowski paints him as a wild character, borrowing money and skipping out all the time. He is referred to as 'one of the ten most wanted men' in Europe, an actor and con man who scams banks and casinos. He goes to the track with Chinaski then goes back to France. He gets jailed in Paris, then he jumps bail. Later he turns up again in the USA staying with Jean Sasoon (Schroeder). Still gambling, he borrows money from Chinaski and then he works as Chinaski's gardener. While Sasoon is filming a documentary about Chinaski, he persuades Cosmos to write an autobiographical story, about a professional gambler. Then Sasoon leaves for Paris to get the film of this story into production. Cosmos vanishes and resurfaces in Paris to act the part of 'Director of the Casino' in the film based on his story, which Sasoon is directing (this is a real film, Tricheurs). 'My friend the gambler' closes with Chinaski meeting Cosmos again at a race track in the US. A lot of the detail from 'Hollywood' is there too, the poor neighbourhood with the chickens and the arms coming through the wall. It's a good one. :cool:
Francois Racine is actually Steve Baës.
There's a lot more detail in the Bukowski story 'My friend the gambler', published in High Times October 1984.
In 'My friend...' his character is called 'Steve Cosmos'. Bukowski paints him as a wild character, borrowing money and skipping out all the time. He is referred to as 'one of the ten most wanted men' in Europe, an actor and con man who scams banks and casinos. He goes to the track with Chinaski then goes back to France. He gets jailed in Paris, then he jumps bail. Later he turns up again in the USA staying with Jean Sasoon (Schroeder). Still gambling, he borrows money from Chinaski and then he works as Chinaski's gardener. While Sasoon is filming a documentary about Chinaski, he persuades Cosmos to write an autobiographical story, about a professional gambler. Then Sasoon leaves for Paris to get the film of this story into production. Cosmos vanishes and resurfaces in Paris to act the part of 'Director of the Casino' in the film based on his story, which Sasoon is directing (this is a real film, Tricheurs). 'My friend the gambler' closes with Chinaski meeting Cosmos again at a race track in the US. A lot of the detail from 'Hollywood' is there too, the poor neighbourhood with the chickens and the arms coming through the wall. It's a good one. :cool:
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