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Gerard K H Love
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Thanks. I like what he has to say about LSD as well.
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The Crumb Genesis book is AMAZING. Well worth it,
Bill
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It seems to have stirred up some opinions too. Go figure:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...ver-explicit-illustrated-Book-of-Genesis.html
This article contains one of the greatest oxy-morons of all time: religious think-tank.
mjp
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Well, he and his publishers were obviously counting on protest and outrage to help sell the book. Looks like they are finally getting some. Great that they could say there is "gratuitous" violence, when it's all taken directly from the bible.
The genius of this project is that he took the text verbatim and just illustrated what was described. It's essentially a critique (whether he meant it as one or not, I really couldn't tell in a recent interview) without saying a critical word. Fucking amazing.
The genius of this project is that he took the text verbatim and just illustrated what was described. It's essentially a critique (whether he meant it as one or not, I really couldn't tell in a recent interview) without saying a critical word. Fucking amazing.
interesting remark:
The German translator of R. Crumb, Harry Rowohlt, who's also friends with Crumb and did fine jobs on some Irish authors and others (yes, a hard drinker and great entertainer!), doesn't like Bukowski at all.
More strange:
Crumb (in the translation of Rowohlt) is published by Zweitausendeins (where some important Bukowski-stuff in the 70s appeared) and Rowohlt is big friends with some other authors and the publishers of Zweitausendeins.
The guy had a reading in my hometown last week and I asked him about his thoughts on Bukowski.
[ Disclaimer/Spoiler: Don't read further if your feelings get hurt easily! ]
He said: "Bukowski is so boring and one-dimentional, that I [Harry Rowohlt] am happy, I don't have to translate him and can leave this to Carl Weissner, who doesn't know about either English nor German."
(I have this statement on video!)
The German translator of R. Crumb, Harry Rowohlt, who's also friends with Crumb and did fine jobs on some Irish authors and others (yes, a hard drinker and great entertainer!), doesn't like Bukowski at all.
More strange:
Crumb (in the translation of Rowohlt) is published by Zweitausendeins (where some important Bukowski-stuff in the 70s appeared) and Rowohlt is big friends with some other authors and the publishers of Zweitausendeins.
The guy had a reading in my hometown last week and I asked him about his thoughts on Bukowski.
[ Disclaimer/Spoiler: Don't read further if your feelings get hurt easily! ]
He said: "Bukowski is so boring and one-dimentional, that I [Harry Rowohlt] am happy, I don't have to translate him and can leave this to Carl Weissner, who doesn't know about either English nor German."
(I have this statement on video!)
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As long as it is the christian book of fairy tales, of course. These are the same kind of people that throw the Quaran in a urinal and piss on it. They see no problem disrespecting other people's fairy tales.
I liked him better when he was writing episodes of King of The Hill.
I love how people are outraged that he would dare illustrate the bible with (gasp) nudity. I think that he was TAME in his illustrated scenes of daughters getting their father drunk to have incest with them, a guy jacking off in the dirt, etc, etc.
Bill
Sometimes on the way to work I listen to the gospel radio station - most of them, if not all are Baptist so King James version is the one. But what I hear more than once is, it doesn't matter how bad you are throughout your life - if you accept Jesus as your Saviour you will be forgiven regardless of your crimes. That explains their consistent support for Republicans and they are generally the back bone of the American Right.
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
Right! You have to take it all literally. You can't pick and choose, because that would be like creating your own version of the bible, and then the fundamentalists would loose the power they have over people.
Good one! It reminds me of an interview with American Disney artist, Don Rosa, in which he said the Republicans were actually evil:
...And even today, I am not so much political as... the Republicans have forced me to be anti-Republican. I mean, I didn't get into the matters of different political parties when Republicans were just the wrong political party. But in the George Bush administration they became actually evil and I really have lots of animated discussions with friends and I'm not a political cartoonist any more but if I felt as feverish about it then as I do now, I would have been a really devoted political cartoonist, I would have gotten a lot more fun out of it, because I just hate Republicans. I'm not really pro-Democrat, I'm just anti-Republican.
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Yes, you have to be a special breed of thinker to take literally a man living in the stomach of a fish for three days, people living 900 years, the Earth being only 8000 years old, a boat that could hold the millions of land and air animals that would need to be saved from a 40 day flood that covered the earth, etc
Then you have blaring discrepancies where it says one thing in one place in the bible and one COMPLETELY different thing in another part about the same event and both in the New Testament. Which one is it? Then you have the things that have been proven 100% impossible or wrong scientifically. The mustard seed is not the smallest seed, etc. If god wrote it, you would think that he knew more than 1st century scribes with their 1st century understanding of science.
Then you have the following scientifically ponderous chain of events:
Day 1: Made Heaven, Then the Earth, then Light, including day and night (he was still a couple days away from making the sun, but, eh...),
Day 2: created heaven (where was he hanging out before that?)
Day 3: Divided the land from the oddly NOT frozen water (without a sun, it would have been very, very cold). made plants (without a sun,
Day 4: FINALLY thought about making the Sun and Moon (which got thought actually made light, not reflected light...), made the stars, as a another light source for us (no other reason for making hundreds of trillions of stars that give us nearly zero light...,
Day 5: Created animals, sea monsters, every living creature that moves (but not humans...),
Day 6: Oopps, he forgot to make cows and bugs and people. Made cows, bugs and humans, Tells humans that they can eat all bugs, animals, and plants. They are all fine to be eaten by humans. No mention of the poisonous plants, animals, and insects...
Day 7: Takes a nap.
It is one thing to believe in religion, but to take every word in a book as literal truth requires talking yourself out of your sanity and accepting the ridiculous as true.
Bill
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Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
The part about God creating light before creating the sun always baffled me. I once asked a so-called Born Again Christian about it, and instead of admitting it's not logical he instead began rambling about how the light must have been some other kind of light that we humans don't know about. Funny, how fundamentalists will rather entertain weird explanations than use the logic God equipped them with.
Everybody knows, including non-fundamentalist Christians, that it'just a myth. Every religion has a myth about how the world was created, and being a myth it's not meant to be taken literally, but I guess the fundamentalists are not interested in the history of religion, because if they were it would dismantle many of their illogical beliefs.
Everybody knows, including non-fundamentalist Christians, that it'just a myth. Every religion has a myth about how the world was created, and being a myth it's not meant to be taken literally, but I guess the fundamentalists are not interested in the history of religion, because if they were it would dismantle many of their illogical beliefs.
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It will only make you insane if you try to argue with people that use false logic to justify their stance. "It is true because it is written in the bible and god wrote the bible".
I once got into an argument and made a hardcore evangelical christian cry because I clued her in that Jesus was not called Jesus by anyone when he was alive (if he ever even existed). She though that since he is called Jesus in the bible, then he was called Jesus when he was alive. Telling people these things (like the fact that J & U were letters that were even in the Jewish Alphabet, the Romans did not have a U either, i believe), just makes them very upset. They do not want to know because knowing punches holes in their fairy tale. "If Genesis is not 100% literally true, then how do I know what is true?" They are told that the bible is the 100% literal word of god and that every letter is 100% TRUTH. Pointing out an obvious untruth is like waking a sleepwalker....
My favorite nonsense is the following TRUTHS, accepted as fact by evangelicals:
God is all powerful
God cannot lie
If he was all powerful, he could do anything that he wanted to. If he cannot lie, then he is not all powerful, is he?
Bill
p.s. Typecases for handsetting lead type are not even set up for capital J & U. On the UPPERCASE side, which is the right 1/3 of the case, the letters go ABCDEFGHIKLMNOPQRSTVWXYZJU. J & U were added much later.
I once got into an argument and made a hardcore evangelical christian cry because I clued her in that Jesus was not called Jesus by anyone when he was alive (if he ever even existed). She though that since he is called Jesus in the bible, then he was called Jesus when he was alive. Telling people these things (like the fact that J & U were letters that were even in the Jewish Alphabet, the Romans did not have a U either, i believe), just makes them very upset. They do not want to know because knowing punches holes in their fairy tale. "If Genesis is not 100% literally true, then how do I know what is true?" They are told that the bible is the 100% literal word of god and that every letter is 100% TRUTH. Pointing out an obvious untruth is like waking a sleepwalker....
My favorite nonsense is the following TRUTHS, accepted as fact by evangelicals:
God is all powerful
God cannot lie
If he was all powerful, he could do anything that he wanted to. If he cannot lie, then he is not all powerful, is he?
Bill
p.s. Typecases for handsetting lead type are not even set up for capital J & U. On the UPPERCASE side, which is the right 1/3 of the case, the letters go ABCDEFGHIKLMNOPQRSTVWXYZJU. J & U were added much later.
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fact is that zealots like Pat Robertson drive more people from religion than to it. They are so removed the teachings of jesus. Foe people that claim to love jesus, they seem to hate just about everyone else.
Bill
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mjp
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All I know is God hates fags, and Gandhi is burning in the lake of fire.
That's according to Mr. Every Word Of The BIBLE Is Literal Truth. All he knows about Gandhi is the he "did some kind of protest," but he also seems to know that he didn't accept Jesus as his savior, so into the lake of fire with you, mister!
You can ask him about it yourself, he's one of the guys standing on a milk crate outside of subway stations in the valley yelling at people about JESUS. They are all the same, so it doesn't matter if you find the exact guy.
That's according to Mr. Every Word Of The BIBLE Is Literal Truth. All he knows about Gandhi is the he "did some kind of protest," but he also seems to know that he didn't accept Jesus as his savior, so into the lake of fire with you, mister!
You can ask him about it yourself, he's one of the guys standing on a milk crate outside of subway stations in the valley yelling at people about JESUS. They are all the same, so it doesn't matter if you find the exact guy.
Bukfan
"The law is wrong; I am right"
You got off easier than I did when i had an argument with a fundamentalist Christian. He told me the devil was speaking through me (not because of any fault of mine, of course). How does one argue against that? It does'nt matter what you say. They only believe what they wanna believe, anyway.
I wonder if he could create a stone so heavy he couldn't lift it? :)
To complicate matters even further, they say Jesus spoke Aramaeic (spell?) and not Hebrew, a language which does'nt exist anymore.
The New Testament was written in ancient Greek. I don't know whether they had the letters J & U, or not.
As for Pat Robertson, believe it or not, but lots of non-fundamentalist Christians can't stand the guy. Of course, the soap box guys mjp talks about might not agree. :D
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mjp
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Aramaic. Not quite dead yet. Not to be confused with Amharic, which is spoken in Ethiopia.
The divinity of "the bible" falls apart when you realize how many languages it was written in. And what did the Romans do to it when they had it? I would think they may have, oh, made some alterations.
It's all so ridiculous, living your life based on some garbled middle ages voodoo (not that anyone actually follows all those rules). People are weird.
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