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Bukfan

"The law is wrong; I am right"
The divinity of "the bible" falls apart when you realize how many languages it was written in. And what did the Romans do to it when they had it? I would think they may have, oh, made some alterations.

That's right, not to mention those church meetings back in the year 300 something where they decided which stories and gospels should be included in the bible and which should'nt. Talk about censorship!

It's all so ridiculous, living your life based on some garbled middle ages voodoo (not that anyone actually follows all those rules). People are weird.

Absolutely! They say the Old Testament alone contains 613 rules of what you must do and what you must not do. Who can remember over 600 rules, except for Pat Robertson maybe. :D
 
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Praised be the Sun, the Om, Nirvana, and Yoda.
 

Bukfan

"The law is wrong; I am right"
Praise Jebus!

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The part about God creating light before creating the sun always baffled me.

Smerdyakov made an impression on me inquiring about this very thing in The Brothers Karamazov. I'd inquired, too, about this and the explanation I received was that God himself is light and he was "revealing" himself to yet unmade creation. The one thing about the Old and New Testament I've completely failed to grasp is how the God of the Old is vastly different from the God of the New Testament. The God of the Old Testament is one nasty motherfucker. The Israelites laid waste to entire cities with God's divine blessing - He'd even join in the fun with a little Divine Fuck-You-Up. Eye for an eye, Judge. But the God of the New Testament is some sandaled hippie peacenik nattering on about Love thine enemy and turn the other cheek and other Godspell nonsense - the irony here is some of most intolerant people to have ever been hatched believe in this tolerant rube. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, Judge. The twain just don't meet.
 

Bukfan

"The law is wrong; I am right"
Yes, the God of the Old Testament is a God of vengeance, while the God in the New Testament is a loving and forgiving God. It seems like the Christians created a God more to their liking than the one the Jews wrote about in the Old Testament. ;)
 

bospress.net

www.bospress.net
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, Judge.

this passage was not in the older versions of the bible. It was very much added hundreds of years after the original. There were a lot of people pulling the church in differnet directions. Some wanted to show jesus as more benevolent. truth is that this was 100% not in the earlier versions. There were also passages where Jesus got pissed at people for asking him for things. That was also changed to put him in a better light. it is fascinating that people base every waking moment of their existence on a book and do not know that it has been changed for political reasons. Anyone interested should read the book MISQUOTING JESUS by Bart Ehrman. It is a fascinating read for believers and skeptics.

Bill
 

mjp

Founding member
"Jesus" was a mythological creation. Never existed, never said anything to be quoted or misquoted. There is no proof, anywhere outside of THE BIBLE, to contradict that.

People who believe that mythology base everything on a core belief that the book is not just stories, but historical fact. Considering that we can't even get history from 40 years ago right, there is no way anyone will ever convince me that some ancient stories are anything other than ancient stories.

So if someone is soft-headed enough to base their life on that, why should we waste our time trying to convince them otherwise?
 

d gray

tried to do his best but could not
Founding member
found a great bukowski letter - in the ms section - to bill griffith
talking about r crumb -

"crumb, we know, IZ COMIX. the way he draws his people and the way they
step across the page, it holds all this wonderful juice and glow. i met him once
at liza william's when i was living with her, and he was one of the most
unaffected people i've ever met. it would be a most honorable magic high
for me to have him illustrate some of my fucked-up characters. i sure hope
something works."
 

ROC

It is what it is
So if someone is soft-headed enough to base their life on that, why should we waste our time trying to convince them otherwise?

Sheer bloody mindedness?

I had some god botherers at my door on Sunday. I told them; not interested. They offered me 'a book' to read and told them I was reading non-fiction at the moment.

I don't think they got it.
 

d gray

tried to do his best but could not
Founding member
from the r crumb website - "crumb on others"

http://www.crumbproducts.com/aboutcrumb_others_3.html

CHARLES BUKOWSKI
Robert: "Love 'im, love his writing. He was a very difficult guy to hang out with in person, but on paper he was great. One of the great American writers of the late 20th Century."
Alex: "You spent a little bit of time with him?"
Robert: "A little bit, not much. Yeah, when he was in social situations, he desperately wanted to numb himself with alcohol. He was very uncomfortable around people; a very solitary guy basically. He wanted to get laid and all that but... [starts laughing] The last time I saw Bukowski, he came to this party in San Francisco, it was a poetry reading. And these two women that I knew (Susan and Jane, I actually did a comic strip about them,) they just kind of closed in on Bukowski. One was talking to him in one ear and the other was talking to him in his other ear. He was standing there with a beer bottle in each hand and getting drunk as fast as he could. And the last moment I saw him, they were leading him off to the bedroom. That's the last time I ever saw Bukowski."
 
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d gray

tried to do his best but could not
Founding member
from the same as above. reminded me of bukowski's wariness of his own success doing the same to him.


JOHN STEINBECK
Robert: I liked Grapes of Wrath, thought it was really good. Then I tried to read Travels with Charlie that he wrote, I think in the '60s, and found it rather dull and uninteresting. I thought his life had become so comfortable and middle class that he lost touch with whatever was his original force of inspiration back in the '30s. He must have really hung out with those people. I also read that book he wrote about the west coast, I think it's called Cannery Row. It was good; not as good as Grapes of Wrath, but it was good. And I've also read interviews with him later when he was old and retired and he didn't have much of interest to say, I don't know. Lost it. It can happen when you experience success. It happened to me (laughs).
Alex: What happened to you?
Robert: You get successful, you give a lot of interviews, you're constantly dealing with business and money and all that stuff I talked with you about when we were in Chicago. You just slowly lose touch with your original source of inspiration. It has something to do with being involved with real, common life; that's what makes any kind of story writing interesting to me. And then you get successful and you get separated from real life. It just happens. When I say real life, I'm talking about the common, everyday life of most people. Then you start getting treated like royalty "” like you're something special "” and it's not the same. And you're no longer the observer, you are the observed. That puts you in a whole different position in society; a whole different perspective. Now you're hunted, you're looked at, you're watched, you're admired, you're vilified, whatever. But you can't just go out and be part of the world as an observer anymore. It's hard. It's hard for me anyway. So for someone like Steinbeck, when he wrote Grapes of Wrath, he obviously had some involvement in that world, with common people, their struggle, the terribleness of their situation. He understood it. He must have lived in it somehow or other. And then he got so successful, so recognized that by the time he wrote Travels With Charlie he was like this self-conscious, successful person that travels across America with his dog. And it's just not very interesting. He just travels the highway with this dog and he's not involved in real life or the lives of real people. The book starkly reveals this.
 
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