The campaign to save Bukowski's De Longpre bungalow
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MJP,
I don't know what you want me to say here. You accuse me of being naive and idealistic, so I try to frame it in more pragmatic terms. Then the pragmatism apparently is too cynical and elitist.
I am doing the best I can with the situation. I don't think it's as dire as you do, but that's a matter of opinion. However, it is not my goal to make every man woman and child in the land into a Bukowski fan.
If that is your intention I would be more concerned with the reputation which he DOES often have in mainstream discussion, which is as a drunken womanizing marginally-talented guy who got lucky.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's the truth mjp.
I don't know what you want me to say here. You accuse me of being naive and idealistic, so I try to frame it in more pragmatic terms. Then the pragmatism apparently is too cynical and elitist.
I am doing the best I can with the situation. I don't think it's as dire as you do, but that's a matter of opinion. However, it is not my goal to make every man woman and child in the land into a Bukowski fan.
If that is your intention I would be more concerned with the reputation which he DOES often have in mainstream discussion, which is as a drunken womanizing marginally-talented guy who got lucky.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's the truth mjp.
cirerita
Founding member
you meant mainstream LITERARY discussion, right?
I guess, but the thing is lots of people don't even get past his reputation enough to give his work a fair chance, so not always...
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/spot-news/bukowskis-bungalow-saved/
www.linder.com (it should be at the top)
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/spot-news/bukowskis-bungalow-saved/
www.linder.com (it should be at the top)
Hindinwood said:
Here's an article dated the day after the one quoted above. The title gives me the feeling the author has been on this site. Note the reference to John Martin. Very good point from him:
Now that is rhetoric on par with Clinton: exchange the N-word for "contrarian". And we all know its true. Way to go John! What article is it from? Also some good direct quotes from the court.
Dear John Martin: if you haven't started writing your memoirs, nows the time!
Read more here: http://www.laweekly.com/la-vida/a-considerable-town/commission-rejects-bukowski-nazi-claim/17806/
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MULLINAX
I dislike BEN as much as anyone here. I found his book to be absurd and insane.
Has anyone here ever had any dealings with THE BEVERLY HILLS ANARCHIST?
And finally, just how good are the sandwiches at THE BROWN DERBY?
Has anyone here ever had any dealings with THE BEVERLY HILLS ANARCHIST?
And finally, just how good are the sandwiches at THE BROWN DERBY?
bospress.net
www.bospress.net
I know him. Have nothing bad personally to say about him. I don't like the nazi story and frankly have a hard time believeing it. Many of the leaps that he makes are very, very large leaps...
Bill
mjp
Founding member
Since the Brown Derby has been closed for more than 20 years, I'm guessing the sandwiches are pretty stale.
mjp
Founding member
More grist for the mill:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/columns/ci_7616716
http://reason.com/blog/show/123678.html (lots of comments)
http://tinkertytonk.blogspot.com/2007/12/charles-bukowski-nazis-his-house.html
http://www.contracostatimes.com/columns/ci_7616716
http://reason.com/blog/show/123678.html (lots of comments)
http://tinkertytonk.blogspot.com/2007/12/charles-bukowski-nazis-his-house.html
Down on De Longpre Avenue - Video Clip
Besides this forum, I also post videos on YouTube (under the user name "blairtoo"). I've posted a couple of Bukowski related videos recently and would like to share one of them.
Besides this forum, I also post videos on YouTube (under the user name "blairtoo"). I've posted a couple of Bukowski related videos recently and would like to share one of them.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
Thank you, I wasn't able to go on the tour so that was nice.
I imagine the place to check for the latest on this campaign would be the campaigner's website.
http://5124delongpre.org/
2011 Edit: Their site is no longer active. Some of it's content can be viewed via the Internet Archive here.
http://5124delongpre.org/
2011 Edit: Their site is no longer active. Some of it's content can be viewed via the Internet Archive here.
For those of us a long way from LA..you can cruse Delongpre ave from the air on the
pc map things...its good fun tryin ta figure which one is Buks place!
Love ta see the real thing ..Rich..
pc map things...its good fun tryin ta figure which one is Buks place!
Love ta see the real thing ..Rich..
Rich, to the best of my knowledge, 5124 De Longpre Avenue is the building I've marked with a green square on the attached Google Map screen grab.
If you like cruising the world with Google, check out this thread too.
Here's a link to Google Maps centred on the building.
L I N K
2011 Edit:- You can see the court via Google Street View here.
If you like cruising the world with Google, check out this thread too.
Here's a link to Google Maps centred on the building.
L I N K
2011 Edit:- You can see the court via Google Street View here.
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that's exactly the place, hank!
btw, according to google-earth, the position is
34° 5'47.36"N - 118°18'5.32"W
Roni and Hank!..Cant thank you enough for your input! That tour is great..Ill be going back a few times..Rich ..
Personally, after reading most of this thread, I think the bungalow was better off being sold and done with, without stirring so much BS about Bukowski. The smell of money being messed around with smells too much like excrement, and I'm not a big fan of 'reconstructed rooms' either. What is the point of making something look like the real thing decades after it's become something else? It's not like that house will ever be what it was when Buk was actually living there. That's when the magic happened, not afterwards. The magic did not stay behind, it moved with the man who had it.
I can't help but think that any future Bukowski fellows who will meet in that place, if it ever turns into the unlikely landmark which is being discussed, will probably be would-be poets who will drink herbal tea with their turtlenecks and pat each other on the backs for having such a high degree of 'tolerance' to Bukowski's 'gutter poetry'.
The real appreciators of Bukowski's body of work will be elsewhere, flipping them off.
Meeting online from all over the world - Here, perhaps.
I can't help but think that any future Bukowski fellows who will meet in that place, if it ever turns into the unlikely landmark which is being discussed, will probably be would-be poets who will drink herbal tea with their turtlenecks and pat each other on the backs for having such a high degree of 'tolerance' to Bukowski's 'gutter poetry'.
The real appreciators of Bukowski's body of work will be elsewhere, flipping them off.
Meeting online from all over the world - Here, perhaps.
Good news (for some)
The Planning and Land Use Management committee met today and approved the nomination unanimously.
The owners weren't even there to speak. Apparently the property is in escrow, which most likely means someone saw all the press and bought it to renovate.
Since we haven't heard anymore about the sale, I would really doubt they're planning a museum or any other high-profile project.
I for one am quite satisfied with this probable outcome, but I'll keep you posted.
-Lauren
Ps. The word 'Nazi' didn't cross anyone's lips today.
The Planning and Land Use Management committee met today and approved the nomination unanimously.
The owners weren't even there to speak. Apparently the property is in escrow, which most likely means someone saw all the press and bought it to renovate.
Since we haven't heard anymore about the sale, I would really doubt they're planning a museum or any other high-profile project.
I for one am quite satisfied with this probable outcome, but I'll keep you posted.
-Lauren
Ps. The word 'Nazi' didn't cross anyone's lips today.
CarversDog
RIP
Lazarus rising...
If true - and it looks to be - I'm glad to see it. Preserving anything of an historic nature in L.A. appears about as often as the resurrection of Lazarus from the grave. I'd say this is true even more so when some have identified the writer as being politically on the wrong side of the fence during WW2. Overall he was apolitical of course. And if the walls of DeLonpre could talk - well, they did talk, didn't they? - they talked through the constant outpouring of Bukowski's stories with their genius of soul and gamble...
If true - and it looks to be - I'm glad to see it. Preserving anything of an historic nature in L.A. appears about as often as the resurrection of Lazarus from the grave. I'd say this is true even more so when some have identified the writer as being politically on the wrong side of the fence during WW2. Overall he was apolitical of course. And if the walls of DeLonpre could talk - well, they did talk, didn't they? - they talked through the constant outpouring of Bukowski's stories with their genius of soul and gamble...
CarversDog
RIP
Yeah, the problem is that once that protective fencing comes down those bungalows will be hit by taggers. That's not one of L.A.'s better neighborhoods ... not one of the worst, mind you, but I would never go there after sundown.
Gerard K H Love
Appreciate your friends
chicken. I need to get down there and get something for a friend.;)
CarversDog
RIP
Pick me up a quad of fine Humboldt while you're there, will ya?
mjp
Founding member
I've got that covered if you're thinking what I'm thinking. I was over there last week.
I doubt it will be tagged. It's a quiet street, mostly families and old people, and I've not seen any writing on any buildings on the block when I've been over there.