Beatles or Stones (or Kinks? Monkees? Herman's Hermits?)

I'm amazed that The Kinks are even in the same thread with Lennon and The Beatles.

Forget The Stones for a moment...

Geesh. Hendrix. The Doors. Fercrhisssakes, Led Zep, even. :eek:

But the Kinks?

Makes me want to grab a brush and straighten out my hair...

There is no place for The Kinks next to The Beatles.

Not on my shelf. They belong in the hair care section.

Next to the gel. Or the Mrs.' curling iron...
 
What's that song they always play on the classic rock stations around Christmas time? Father Christmas? ... gimme your money ...

I don't know ... the Kinks are all right. Definitely in the right ball park when you break it down to either coming from the Pat Boone camp or the Elvis camp.
 
Ah, I know those!

That makes four. ;)

I kind of think you're pulling our legs. Your my age & used to be a musician and you never heard Kink songs? I'm sure you'd know everyone on a greatest hits album. I'd say the Kinks along with Van Morrison's Them were very big in help creating the whole garage rock thing in the sixties which was very big in creating punk (lots of those bands covered Kinks song).

Again not a big fan but "Waterloo Sunset" is a beautiful song.

The Kinks in this thread do make sense because they were one of the top English bands from the mid sixties.
 
didn't the Kinks open for Milli Vanilli?

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Slime: Waterloo Sunset sounds as ridiculous as The Soft Parade.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

And B-Ville, DON'T insult Elvis, THE KING, like that. Bad manners....
 
What's that song they always play on the classic rock stations around Christmas time? Father Christmas? ... gimme your money ...

Christ! I hate that song!(Yes, hate IS a strong word, but it works when you mean it.)

Yet I have no real overall opinion on The Kinks. I'll give them a go because of that reason, and that reason alone. The older bands that I didn't dig as a kid tend to be the ones that I really like now that I am no longer a kid. We'll see what happens.
 
oh my dear lord, Mrs. Robinson just came on the boom box while reading that last quote. YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO GO KINKS ON ME, ARE YOU CRB????

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I've got to go to the pothead thread and piss on those dopes/right-wingers. 'scuse me for a moment, BRB.

pax
 

chronic

old and in the way
The Kinks are GODLIKE!

Simon & Garfunkel RULE!

There... I think that just about settles that argument.
 
Well, at least Garfunkle got busted for smoking weed recently. He belongs in the pothead thread. As for Simon, whatever he SAYS.

There goes Rhymin Simon. Remember? Had it on 8-track. The machine ate it. It was an omen.

And didn't the Kinks open for Paul Simon?
 
Good to have you back, my twisted brother. I've switched from blue to black. The economy, the election, whatever. Fuck, next I'll be drinking red, white & blue. :eek:;)

How the fuck have you been? Nice thread, btw....
 
The Kinks are GODLIKE!

Simon & Garfunkel RULE!

There... I think that just about settles that argument.

Hee Hee!:D I know you peeps aren't much for the old 'boob-tube', as my daddy used to call it-BUT- does anyone watch 'The Flight of The Concords' on HBO? Last weeks episode revolved around Simon$Garfunkle. It was priceless!
I'll only 'check out' The Kinks. I doubt that they'll take me away.:)CRB
 
:eek:

I'm running off to heartbreak hotel!

With my hound dog!

<EDIT> And oh, yeah, Elvis was bigger, still is, than the Kinks will ever be...(size matters).
 
Oh, that's just too inviting. I mean, he opened doors and all that, but I'd rather disembowel myself with a dull pencil than listen to Elvis.

He's just so...god, what is it? Horrible! Ahhh, that feels better.

He's one of the reasons that I still hate Christmas!
He really sounds like he's trying to imitate his-self. Elvis doing Elvis. Yea, I know it's a little bit freaky. But God Bless The KING!:eek:
 
:eek:

I'm running off to heartbreak hotel!

With my hound dog!

<EDIT> And oh, yeah, Elvis was bigger, still is, than the Kinks will ever be...(size matters).

I can't argue that. Elvis is the man! But that's what I'm talking about--there's really only two camps. (not counting the Woody Guthrie camp, i.e Dylan, sorry mjp) and anyone who plays the hard rock is okay in my book--even the Beatles!
 
ELVIS: He's one of the reasons that I still hate Christmas! He really sounds like he's trying to imitate his-self. Elvis doing Elvis. Yea, I know it's a little bit freaky. But God Bless The KING!:eek:

Nobody can imitate Elvis. Not even Elvis. Come on, everyone knows that. ;)
 
Dude. I can't explain it without you HEARING it. None the less, ELVIS scares me in the way CLOWNS scare others. This is a personal opinion and YES I know and understand his IMPACT on American music. But shit, you wanna' talk about POP music... we can start with the big E. :)CRB
 
Billville said:
Bubba Ho-Tep // The last one was meant for homeless mind

Haven't seen it; didn't know what it was; did a quick google and it looks pretty funny...seems like it got a smudge of critical success and a cult following: so what's the deal?
 

mjp

Founding member
I kind of think you're pulling our legs. Your my age & used to be a musician and you never heard Kink songs? I'm sure you'd know everyone on a greatest hits album. I'd say the Kinks along with Van Morrison's Them were very big in help creating the whole garage rock thing in the sixties which was very big in creating punk (lots of those bands covered Kinks song).
No, not pulling any legs. Just wasn't a Kinks man. But Van Morrison, now you're talking.

(not counting the Woody Guthrie camp, i.e Dylan, sorry mjp)
I don't get it...
 
That's obvious.

And, having never bought a book or read any news piece about him, I assume you must be quite knowledgeable. But maybe that's just me.

That and being a complete asshat. Although, that could be me as well.

You are allowed to think he is fraudulent (IMO: dumb-as-a-brick thinking); as we are all allowed opinions.

I don't, as I said. I wasn't alive at the time (nor for many years thereafter), and as such I really can't say I was watching the news. The notion sounded rather ridiculous, but I suppose I was mistaken.
 
That and being a complete asshat. Although, that could be me as well.

Somebody here actually makes custom asshats. Due to the shitty economy, they're being sold at a discount. You'll find it in another thread. And if you have a normal size ass, you can probably get one on the cheap. Any color you want...
 

Digney in Burnaby

donkeys live a long time
Nobody can imitate Elvis. Not even Elvis. Come on, everyone knows that. ;)

Looking at an older pocket book edited by Charlie Gillett, Rock File, there is a breakdown of top 20 hits in Britain from 1955 to 1969. (I like it when other people do the work. ;))

Beatles had 22 top 20 hits. Stones had 14. Elvis had 56. Cliff Richard, 43. Skiffle pioneer Lonnie Donnegan had 27.

So maybe the thread really should have been about Elvis Presley and Cliff Richard. The Beatles and Rolling Stones climbed up on those shoulders.
 

mjp

Founding member
That's an eye opening list, but kind of an unfair comparison since the older performers had about 14 years to rack up hits, while groups like the Beatles and Stones had only five. Looking at the American top 40 lists is just as weird. But that's the people as a whole, and a good gauge of the times.

The way they segment the lists now is ridiculous. You can have a top ten "hit" in a category that about two dozen people listen to. My band "charted" pretty high (I don't remember exactly how high it got, but it was top 20 for sure) in the late 1980's in Cash Box magazine (in a "World music" ghetto chart), and we sold - at most - a few thousand copies of that record. And of course in Britain it takes a lot fewer sales to make the #1 chart spot than in America (or a lot less $$$ to the people making the chart), so it's all a jumbled bag of useless numbers anyway.
 
Somebody here actually makes custom asshats. Due to the shitty economy, they're being sold at a discount. You'll find it in another thread. And if you have a normal size ass, you can probably get one on the cheap. Any color you want...

I don't think it sticks far enough out to suspend an article of clothing. I would need some way to affix it.
 

Digney in Burnaby

donkeys live a long time
That's an eye opening list, but kind of an unfair comparison since the older performers had about 14 years to rack up hits, while groups like the Beatles and Stones had only five. Looking at the American top 40 lists is just as weird. But that's the people as a whole, and a good gauge of the times.

I know it's unfair, and there are other lists in the Rock File series that have the Stones out front in top ten album sales from the 1967-77 era. 15 for the Stones, 13 for Elvis, 11 for Dylan, Bowie and Tom Jones (!) and the Beatles with 9.

In that same stretch the top 30 singles have Elvis still on top with 32, Cliff Richard with 28, The Beatles (including McCartney/Wings singles) at 15 and the Stones at 10.

I like lists. A 60s U.K. chart site. And a U.S./Canada top 40 site. Great places to buck up arguments. Or start new ones.

What bothers me, or confuses me, is the time frame to assess either The Beatles or The Rolling Stones. The Beatles made the charts in the U.K. in 1962, about 4 or 5 years after they began as a group. Their playing skills honed in Hamburg and Liverpool. Their songwriting skills definitely developed from there, no doubt with the help of George Martin's production. The Stones first charted in 1964, about two years after they formed. Probably the reason their first three hits were covers. Producer Andrew Loog Oldham encouraged Jagger/Richards to write because that was where the money was. So they hit their stride in 1965 or so and peaked (some say) from 1968 through 1972. By 1969/70 the Beatles were gone. So is it fair to compare the two groups if The Stones were hitting their peak about the time The Beatles were falling apart? Two entirely different groups on two entirely different trajectories. (Pompous statements, all of those.)

I like both of them. And I like The Kinks. And I like Them. And, at some point, I'd start to bring in Gerry and the Pacemakers, The Dave Clark Five, The Pretty Things and all manner of pimply white boy groups.
 
Top