Manuscripts

d gray · Jun 11, 2018

how irrevelant of you...:wb:

zobraks · Jun 11, 2018

Or is that "irreverant?" :D

d gray · Jun 11, 2018

i'm not sure - i'll check at the libarry...

mjp · Jun 11, 2018

yeah, I wondered about that, since he spells it correctly earlier in the poem (and I assume his writing program had spell check) - maybe it was intentional? Only one copy of that one though, so who knows.

PhillyDave · Jun 11, 2018

When I first discovered this site and the horror committed to Buk's original work I printed out manuscripts and stuck them in the Martin-ized editions. Then at some point I realized how ridiculous that idea is. The Martin-ized versions are not worth the effort.

Thanks again to everyone for all your effort with the manuscripts.

mjp · Jun 23, 2018

PhillyDave · Jun 25, 2018

mjp said:
Can we talk about Martin's idiotic fetish for parentheses?

Nah.

But what I will talk about is how it is fun to read his long poems, esp the manuscripts. It's so great to just go along for the ride and see where it takes you. Although not always expected but often intriguing, his endings leave me wanting more and I love that. I find myself re-reading his poems often but especially the endings. I finish a poem and go over the ending bits again and again.

mjp · Jul 1, 2018

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And a love note from your friend:

zobraks · Jul 1, 2018

mjp said:
a love note from your friend

:((
He's a Popcorn Man and he don't give a damn!

mjp · Jul 4, 2018

PhillyDave · Jul 4, 2018

Wow. Thanks again mjp

mjp · Jul 8, 2018

mjp said:
Here's one that was too blurry to post. Doesn't look like it was any great loss.

Turns out I have a clear version. Still not missing anything. ;) (Except that it appears to be written only a couple of months before Bukowski died...)

mjp · Jul 8, 2018

Black Swan · Jul 8, 2018

Again, he took his feel good drink away... rejuvenate?

hoochmonkey9 · Jul 9, 2018

When reading the posthumous books, I thought Bukowski had lost his touch. Turns out, John Martin was just taking away.

james · Jul 9, 2018

And a love note from your friend: View attachment 17155

Wow...WOW. WHAT THE FUCK. (In response to the martinizing)

Black Swan · Jul 9, 2018

hoochmonkey9 said:
When reading the posthumous books, I thought Bukowski had lost his touch. Turns out, John Martin was just taking away.

Same here. I also thought that he had lost something.

Short Bus · Jul 9, 2018

The silence of those around Martin make this worse. Enablers suck.

mjp · Jul 15, 2018

mjp · Sep 9, 2018

roni · Sep 11, 2018

mjp said:
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3351 (in a shocking turn of events, Martin changes only one word, and it is a good change)

You bet!
I wonder what was going on inside Bukowski when he typed that one word, as it makes no sense. The whole poem is about making it the other way. So hell, maybe a lack of attention while drinking?

mjp · Sep 11, 2018

mjp said:
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=361 (new)

This one is not new, it's in Bone Palace Ballet as "A Note On The Masses." There are two manuscripts now though, and you can see that Bukowski changed the title (and a lot of other things) himself.

PhillyDave · Sep 12, 2018

I like the two manuscripts a lot.
I also thought I had something profound to say. I do not.

Carry on.

mjp · Sep 21, 2018

zobraks · Sep 21, 2018

mjp said:
Only 9 lines long, but almost every line - along with the title - was changed

That one takes the cake. Why in hell would JM change "It is now 4 p.m." into "it is now 2 p.m."? Wrong time zone?
On the other hand I doubt it was him: he would've put "we'll bring some tea" instead of "we'll bring some beer."

the only good poet · Sep 22, 2018

hoochmonkey9 said:
When reading the posthumous books, I thought Bukowski had lost his touch. Turns out, John Martin was just taking away.

Black Swan said:
Same here. I also thought that he had lost something.

Me, too.

mjp · Oct 1, 2018

Otto jr · Oct 4, 2018

MJP, This place is like the gift that just keeps on giving.

Thank you thank you thank you.

mjp · Oct 4, 2018

It should keep giving for some time, considering I'm only 10% through the unprocessed manuscripts that I still have. Working through them the way I have been, they won't be "done" for about 4-5 years.

But when I do finish with what I have here, we should have almost 3,000 manuscripts, or 65% of his known poetry. That's kind of mind-boggling., considering there probably aren't any existing manuscripts for 10% of those (earlier) poems.

Otto jr · Oct 5, 2018

I'm guessing you've already lost your day job.

Saying this with humor of course.

Manuscripts

tried to do his best but could not

tried to do his best but could not

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

Abord the Yorikke!

Art should be its own hammer.

Abord the Yorikke!

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett

One retreat after another without peace.