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mjp

mjp

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As a matter of fact, I did, in February. You'd think that would open up a lot of time to work on things like this, but looking for a job seems to take up more time than actually doing a job. Ha.

That being said, if anyone is looking for a Director of Communications...I know a guy.
 
PhillyDave

PhillyDave

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett
Not that you'd want to but I bet u would kick ass as an I.T. guy for the City of Philadelphia. I know a guy.
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
If life ever takes me to live in Philadelphia I'll contact your guy. Or live in his basement, one of the two.
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3358 (2 versions, only minor changes in "Sifting")
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2318
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5554 (NEW - different poem with same title in "Flash of Lightning")
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2331
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2332 (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2472
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5282
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2334 (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2342
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3382 (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2345
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2366 (2 versions - it was changed in War All the Time, but it's interesting to compare the kinds of changes done when Bukowski was alive to what was done after he died.)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5350 (NEW - probably not surprising that it was never published, considering he calls Harold Norse (I think it's Norse, anyway) "a little bitch in a wig" and a "suckerfish, complaining untalented flea-bitch")
 
Purple Stickpin

Purple Stickpin

It's funny that A Member of the Tribe may well be about Norse, just as Dylan's Positively 4th Street may well be about critics. No matter how obvious it is or isn't, the message is what makes it.

That said, I'm going to gingerly open my Penguin Modern Poets #13 to see what Norse has going on (or not).
 
mjp

mjp

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https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4583 ("farted" becomes "failed" in Storm for the Living)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2371
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4584 (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3388
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4069 (ugh)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4585 (ugh again)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5555 (from here on out, let's just assume you could say 'ugh' to most of them)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2417
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4532
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4840 (2 versions - same)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3407 (twisting the cap off what?)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4587 (ugh - sorry, I had to)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2445 (2 versions - same)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2456 ("I know him well, it's me" ?! die JM, die)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3410 (3 versions - formatting change)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2463
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2469
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4244 (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4610 (NEW)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4738 (2 versions, changes to second version in War All The Time)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4588
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2491 (a typical rape, but an interesting stanza left on the cutting room floor...)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2520
 
PhillyDave

PhillyDave

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett
Endlessly fascinating. Gonna have to spend some time giving these a "close reading" when I'm not at work.
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4678 (3 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3433
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4590
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2568 (3 versions, almost identical)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2572
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2574 (4 versions, all different)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2577
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3450
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3451
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5557
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2597
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3456 Even when the changes are minor, they are baffling...
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2600 (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3654 Wow.
 
mjp

mjp

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https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3662
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3747 (big chunks of this were cut in Bone Palace Ballet)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5558 (feel like I've seen this in a book, but maybe not)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5559 (2 versions, early version of "transformation and disfiguration at the p.o.")
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4155 (a "joke" becomes a "miracle," Martin inserts his idiotic parentheses yet again, and a reference to wine disappears like magic - just another day at the office)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3795
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3798 (2 versions, identical)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3805 (2 versions - not every poem about Jane was a love poem...)
 
mjp

mjp

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https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3818 - 4 different versions - only a few stanzas, but he gave it a lot of attention
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4293 - 2 copies - same version
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4534
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4614 - unpublished/uncollected
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4246 - 2 versions
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2633
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=2638
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=4129 - "pass that bottle over here" becomes "pass the salt and pepper" in Come On In! (two lines added at the beginning to place the scene in a diner, so salt and pepper could make sense)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5486
 
Erik

Erik

If u don't know the poetry u don't know Bukowski
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mjp said:
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=3818 - 4 different versions - only a few stanzas, but he gave it a lot of attention
Click to expand...

Strange. Shouldn't it be "bang closed" and "ran" with past tense in both lines?

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mjp

mjp

Founding member
"bang closed" can be read in present tense. That's how I read it anyway.

If you substitute "shut" for "closed" it makes more sense in present tense, but he kept "bang closed" through all 4 versions, so he must have liked the way it sounded.
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5560 - unpublished/uncollected
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5561 - unpublished/uncollected
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5101 - uncollected
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?WorkNumber=5562
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=5563&Title=the-secret-life
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3466&Title=the-secret-of-my-endurance - 3 versions
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4592&Title=short-story-form - 2 versions
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2719&Title=slow-night
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4429&Title=slow-night - 2 versions
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=410&Title=a-smile-to-remember - 2 very different versions


And remember, sometimes a piss is just a piss...

piss.jpg
 
PhillyDave

PhillyDave

“The essential doesn't change.” Beckett
He really fucks the beauty of the spare & simple and turns it into wordy & simplistic/dopey. Ugh.
 
mjp

mjp

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https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3494&Title=the-smirking-dark
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4739&Title=snake-eyes
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2753&Title=solving-a-crime-before-it-begins
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2770&Title=somebody-else - two versions, both the same
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2781&Title=somethings-knocking-at-the-door - a good one, previously only available from the butcher shop
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2812&Title=spelling-it-out-on-my-computer
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=417&Title=a-split - this could be an early draft, but it's still Martinized in The Night Torn Mad With Footsteps and The Pleasures of the Damned ("drunk" removed, etc., etc.)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4961&Title=straw-hat - two versions, both the same
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2844&Title=stuck-with-it
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=426&Title=a-summation
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3542&Title=the-swimming-pool
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2891&Title=talking-to-a-part-of-my-mailbox - (earlier?) version differs from both Wormwood and War All the Time
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2893&Title=talking-to-the-barkeep
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2896&Title=tb - two versions, both the same
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2888&Title=taken

The last one is another example of the editor not understanding what he is editing. In a poem about writers getting mixed up in politics, Bukowski is asking why - when you've been given the gift of the ability to write - you would lower yourself into the shithole of politics. He says:

fools run governments, not every-​
one can guide the​
word.​

which Martin changes to:

fools run governments, not every-​
one can guide the​
world.​

- - -

Then there's this:

asshole.png


Ooookay, tell us how you really feel, John...
 
mjp

mjp

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The usual caveats and warnings apply.

https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3547&Title=the-telephone
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3926&Title=what-we-need (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3927&Title=what-will-the-neighbors-think
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3958&Title=who-needs-it
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3972&Title=wind-the-clock
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3608&Title=the-wine-that-roared
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3983&Title=with-his-awful-teeth
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3613&Title=the-word
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4459&Title=working-out (2 versions, the same)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4622&Title=worse-than-nobody (3 titles, manuscripts are the same, book version is not)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=5548&Title=writing (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3623&Title=the-x-factor
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3626&Title=the-yellow-pencil (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3628&Title=the-young-poets
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4061&Title=zero
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2928&Title=the-8-count-concerto
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2926&Title=the-60s - two versions, same
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=179&Title=40000
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4743&Title=the-barometer
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4538&Title=baseball - unpublished
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=670&Title=basic
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=677&Title=be-angry-at-san-pedro - two versions
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=678&Title=be-cool-fool - crazy early sloppy (drunk?) version
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=684&Title=bearclaw-morning - two versions
 
mjp

mjp

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https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4843&Title=the-beats
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=687&Title=beaujolais-jadot (3 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=688&Title=beauti-ful (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2959&Title=the-beautiful-rush (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2961&Title=bedpan-nightmare (2 versions, same)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=2963&Title=the-beer-bottle-blow (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=852&Title=chinaski
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3006&Title=the-cigarette-of-the-sun (2 versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3007&Title=the-circus-of-death
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=863&Title=classical-music-and-me
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=115&Title=1045-am (better image)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=877&Title=club-hell-1942 (two versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=886&Title=cold-summer
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3012&Title=the-column (two different versions)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4544&Title=coming-out-from-under-the unpublished
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=900&Title=competition (two versions - miraculously unaltered in Open All Night)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=901&Title=computer-class
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4545&Title=computer-now
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=4546&Title=comrade (early version of "swinging from the dumb hook")
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=3014&Title=the-condition-book
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=92&Title=contributors-note (better image)
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=920&Title=cool-fur
https://bukowski.net/database/detail.php?w=935&Title=crawl (nice to read the non-butchered version of this)


One of today's (many) groaners:

Bukowski said:

all we wanted to do was sit
there and pour the wine
down.

John Martin said:

all we wanted to do was sit
around and talk about
books and literature
and pour down the
wine.
 
mjp

mjp

Founding member
20 or 30 years ago, when someone wanted to knock down an old house in Los Angeles and build one of those pre-fab "mansions" in its place, it was common to knock down all of the old house except for a small piece of one wall, then build the new house around it. I suppose they did that for permitting reasons, a "remodel" being easier to get than a tear-down and new build.

I guess you're saying that's what we're looking at here. A Martin "remodel."
 
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