Why the Beatles?

Erik

Erik

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mjp said:
Someone who aims for technical perfection (see: Peart) leaves me cold. Go play classical music if that's what you want. I like that too, and I'll appreciate you more there.

Rock and roll needs slop. Rock and roll is slop. ;)
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Have you ever seen/heard the Classic Album DVD about Lennons "PLastic Ono Band"?
I love what Ringo says about his drum fills there:

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Ringo about fills (go to 2:55).
It made me hear the album in a whole new way.
They talk about how John could say a deep thing in a simple way.
Well, thats where Ringo's drumming is at too.
And talking about band chemistry, Ringo demonstrates his importance here:



(hey isn't that Macca on the backup vocals?).

Peace and love!

Oh, and



would be a good song to represent Buk.
But thats another thread, isn't it...
 
mjp

mjp

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Thanks for that.

Now when someone asks me, "Is there anything worse than a drum solo?" I can send them to that link and say, "Yes, three drum solos at the same time, played by progjazzfusionrock twats in suits."

Then together we shall gaze upon it and know true horror.

Chilling!
 
Johannes

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Well, nice try, but I always thought it was clear to everyone that after the drum solo in Iron Butterflys 'In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida' there never needed to be another one.

It's the drum solo to end all drum solos.
 
Erik

Erik

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Johannes said:
Well, nice try, but I always thought it was clear to everyone that after the drum solo in Iron Butterflys 'In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida' there never needed to be another one.

It's the drum solo to end all drum solos.
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And after all the drum solos ended
Get you postdrumsolo kit
 
ROC

ROC

It is what it is
Wow. I never realised how much I disliked Paul McCartney's voice until I watched that.

Drums (and solos thereon) don't suck necessarily. It's just that most drummers do.
 
Gerard K H Love

Gerard K H Love

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Their voices sound better together, but I like Paul's voice. It must be a Northern Hemisphere thing. Maybe sound waves spin different up here.
 
mjp

mjp

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McCartney always sounded like your little sister screaming that she didn't get enough ice cream when he tried to "rock up" his voice. So shrill and phony, and trying way too hard. Compared to someone like Lennon who just had the grit built in to his vocal chords and could call it up when needed.

It's funny that McCartney even tried to sing "rough," considering he had the real deal sitting next to him. Why not accept that he had a smoother, more pedestrian voice. It just goes to show how competitive and egotistical he was (is). (Okay they were both very competitive, granted.)

"Oh, John is rocking one out again? I'll have to rock one out too. Six of one, half dozen of the other, eh mate?" Fail.
 
mjp

mjp

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"You motherfuckers sit out there and clam all over the joint!"

That's how it's done.
 
Gerard K H Love

Gerard K H Love

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It's real nice with the repeating zoom in on a still photo like anime for a drum solo.

Paul McCartney has a fine voice you must have fucked up hearing.
 
mjp

mjp

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I didn't say he didn't have a fine voice, he just doesn't rock. Much to his dismay, I'm sure.

He's real good at those tin pan alley granny songs though. No one better. Real snappy, those.
 
Gerard K H Love

Gerard K H Love

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I agree he has written some songs that are like goofy musical productions- tin pan alley granny songs may be the right words. When I'm 64, She Came in Through the Bathroom Window,Maxwell and most of the Wings stuff. Even Hey Jude had that kind of over the top glee club sound to it. Like "Everybody sing along like a big rock show!" as Flo and Eddie said with Frank Zappa and the Mothers.
He did rock and he did follow John because John was the older more experienced member of the group who, I believe, they looked up to.
(maybe not counting Ringo who came along later)


Here this explains many people's attitudes about the Beatles, although the writer Johnny Moon seems to enjoy those tin pan alley granny songs.
 
ROC

ROC

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"Now get out of my fucking bus!"

Man, that was great. Those horns must have really been fucking up badly to get Rich so steamed.
 
mjp

mjp

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Gerard K H Love said:
...he did follow John because John was the older more experienced member of the group who, I believe, they looked up to.
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In most ways, Paul was John's superior, just not by age. He is a natural musician, and a talented songwriter. John was never more than an average musician, but he was also a talented songwriter. The combination of those two was interesting and unique, and the influence they had on each other (inspirationally, competitively, even when they hated each other) made that group what it was.

You can't take any one of those four out of the mix and have the same result. But the Lennon/McCartney push/pull was really something.
 
Purple Stickpin

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mjp said:
I didn't say he didn't have a fine voice, he just doesn't rock. Much to his dismay, I'm sure.

He's real good at those tin pan alley granny songs though. No one better. Real snappy, those.
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While McCartney is no Lennon from a rawness perspective, I can think of a few thousand musicians deserving of this type of crap before McCartney. You make it sound as if McCartney's voice is a prepared piano, or something.
 
mjp

mjp

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Ha ha. Sorry man, if anyone wants to argue that McCartney rocks or ever rocked, I'll argue that he most certainly did not until I'm dead and they bury me in the internet.

He may well be a musical genius, a natural talent, and he wrote and sang a lot of songs that I love. But he also wrote some of the cheesiest songs in the history of cheese. And he just never, ever had enough...I dunno...angst to rock. Bad shit happened to him, I'm sure he had anger in there somewhere. But he buried it under that smile, and never let anything dark or frightening or weird (i.e. interesting) out.

But what do I know.
 
Gerard K H Love

Gerard K H Love

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Evidence of Cheese and Cheesey

Exhibit #1

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Exhibit #2

[This video is unavailable.] This is probably sung by John but It was Paul's idea.

Exhibit #3 and I'm going to be sick.

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mjp

mjp

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In McCartney's defense (now look what you've done), 90% of The Long and Winding Road's cheese factor can be blamed on Phil Spector. McCartney was appalled at what Spector did to the songs that became Let It Be. All of the Beatles were.

When I'm 64 was sung by Paul.
 
Gerard K H Love

Gerard K H Love

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Oh, that voice sounded like the description you made of John's voice only not rocking. Hey what do I know. So, Phil Spector does belong in jail.
 
marina del rey

marina del rey

I think a good example is A Day in the Life. John has some fairly dark lyrics and then Paul's obligatory cornball part is added in the middle. Put it all together, and you have one of the greatest songs ever written.

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mjp

mjp

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Yeah, there are some good examples of their collaboration balancing each other out like that. Like McCartney's Getting Better with Lennon's "It can't get no worse" background vocal, etc.

I like the example of A Hard Day's Night. It's all Lennon, but once they had settled on that as the title of the film, he went home and wrote the song. Overnight. That's how intense the competition between he and McCartney was for who would get the A side of the singles, and the title songs for the movies.

He did the same thing for Help!. As soon as they found out the title of the movie was going to be Help! and not 8 Arms To Hold You, he went immediately to work writing Help!.

So the writing of both of those songs was motivated by competition, and without that competition neither song might exist. At least in the form it does. That could be said for a lot of the songs by both of them. Even when they didn't directly collaborate, they influenced each other.
 
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